That is a non-logical argument. To be great AT drafting does not mean you draft great players. It means that you draft players better than at least most teams in the NBA would have draft there. Fact is that he has done that. For example, how many 2nd round players typically enter a NBA rotation? How may players after the lottery are even signed to a 2nd contract? Neither of those percentages are high, and Morey has gotten players in both situation more often than not that have done so. On trades, let see: Traded Juwan Howard to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Mike James and Justin Reed. -- Win Traded Vassilis Spanoulis and a 2009 2nd round draft pick (Nando DeColo) to the San Antonio Spurs for Jackie Butler and Luis Scola. -- Big Win Traded Kirk Snyder and a 2010 2nd round draft pick (Paulao Prestes) to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Gerald Green. --Mild Loss. As part of a 3-team trade, the Houston Rockets traded Mike James and Bonzi Wells to the New Orleans Hornets; the Houston Rockets traded Malick Badiane to the Memphis Grizzlies; the Memphis Grizzlies traded Sergei Lishouk to the Houston Rockets; the New Orleans Hornets traded Bobby Jackson, Adam Haluska and a 2008 2nd round draft pick (Marty Leunen) to the Houston Rockets; and the New Orleans Hornets traded Marcus Vinicius to the Memphis Grizzlies. -- Toss up since he was getting rid of players who didn't perform. As part of a 3-team trade, the Houston Rockets traded Nicolas Batum to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Memphis Grizzlies traded Donte Greene and a 2009 2nd round draft pick (Sam Young) to the Houston Rockets; the Portland Trail Blazers traded Joey Dorsey to the Houston Rockets; and the Portland Trail Blazers traded Darrell Arthur to the Memphis Grizzlies. --Toss up. Arthur good be good (WE DON'T KNOW YET). But because of below... Traded Steve Novak to the Los Angeles Clippers. Houston received the right to swap 2nd round draft picks in 2011 but did not do so. -Mild Loss. Traded Donte Greene, Bobby Jackson and a 2009 1st round draft pick (Omri Casspi) to the Sacramento Kings for Metta World Peace, Patrick Ewing and Sean Singletary. - Big Win Traded Sean Singletary to the Phoenix Suns for D.J. Strawberry. -- White noise Traded Steve Francis, cash and a 2009 2nd round draft pick (Sam Young) to the Memphis Grizzlies for a 2011 2nd round draft pick. Houston did not receive the 2nd round draft pick because it was top 55 protected. --Toss up since he was getting rid of players who didn't perform. s part of a 3-team trade, the Houston Rockets traded Rafer Alston to the Orlando Magic; the Memphis Grizzlies traded Kyle Lowry to the Houston Rockets; the Orlando Magic traded Brian Cook to the Houston Rockets; and the Orlando Magic traded Adonal Foyle, Mike Wilks and a 2009 1st round draft pick (DeMarre Carroll) to the Memphis Grizzlies. -- Big Win As part of a 3-team trade, the Houston Rockets traded Joey Dorsey and Carl Landry to the Sacramento Kings; the Houston Rockets traded Tracy McGrady to the New York Knicks; the New York Knicks traded Jordan Hill, Jared Jeffries and a future 1st round draft pick to the Houston Rockets; the New York Knicks traded Larry Hughes to the Sacramento Kings; the Sacramento Kings traded Hilton Armstrong and Kevin Martin to the Houston Rockets; and the Sacramento Kings traded Sergio Rodriguez to the New York Knicks. Houston had the right to swap 1st round draft picks with New York in 2011 but did not do so. -- Big Win. As part of a 4-team trade, the Houston Rockets traded Trevor Ariza to the New Orleans Hornets; the Indiana Pacers traded Troy Murphy to the New Jersey Nets; the New Jersey Nets traded Courtney Lee to the Houston Rockets; and the New Orleans Hornets traded Darren Collison and James Posey to the Indiana Pacers. -- Big Win. As part of a 3-team trade, the Houston Rockets traded a 2012 1st round draft pick to the New Jersey Nets; the Houston Rockets traded Sergei Lishouk to the Los Angeles Lakers; the Los Angeles Lakers traded Sasha Vujacic and a 2011 1st round draft pick (JuJuan Johnson) to the New Jersey Nets; the New Jersey Nets traded Terrence Williams to the Houston Rockets; and the New Jersey Nets traded Joe Smith, a 2011 2nd round draft pick (Darius Morris) and a 2012 2nd round draft pick to the Los Angeles Lakers. -TBD Traded David Andersen to the Toronto Raptors for cash and a 2015 2nd round draft pick. - Toss up since he was getting rid of players who didn't perform. Traded Jermaine Taylor and cash to the Sacramento Kings for a 2011 2nd round draft pick. Houston did not receive the 2nd round draft pick because it was top 55 protected. - Toss up since he was getting rid of players who didn't perform. Traded Aaron Brooks to the Phoenix Suns for Goran Dragic and a 2011 1st round draft pick (Nikola Mirotic). - Win Traded Shane Battier and Ishmael Smith to the Memphis Grizzlies for DeMarre Carroll, Hasheem Thabeet and a future 1st round draft pick. - Loss Traded Brad Miller, Nikola Mirotic, Chandler Parsons and a future 1st round draft pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Jonny Flynn, Donatas Motiejunas and a future 2nd round draft pick. - TBD To my count that is 5 Big wins, 2 Wins, 6 Toss ups, 3 Losses & 2 TBD. And that is listing his trades to correct most of his "bad" signings with toss ups (which is totally NOT THE NORM and better than most GM's.) I'd say he is very good in trades.
Because he got starters and role players with late first rounders. That's awesome. Landry and brooks alone are awesome draft picks for where they were drafted.
This doesn't define a gm, but of all those trades, how many guys have made an all star game? None. Not 1 guy through all the sludge has made a stinking all star game. I can say this, joe dumars has been terrible as of late, but he made some deals that got almost the entire starting 5 into the asg and 5 conf championships and a ring. Who would've thought of trading stackhouse for hamilton? What about sign and trade chucky atkins and ben wallace for grant hill? How about signing billups for mle? Drafting prince? Of course people don't want to hear that, so what about ok city? It would've been really easy to keep ray allen in the grand scheme,but he traded the guy for th #5 pick. As A3PO has been pointing out, green is a waste. He turned green into perkins as the anchor. Drafted harden,westbrook,and ibaka. Made small trade for thabo. That's not good enough for the great morey and his following? Look no further than utah. Theve reset their roster and the hof coach retired. Boozer left via free agency.Which roster would you rather have? Again, I think morey has been solid. I've been laughed at, but solid doesn't make millionaires or championships. A lot of folks want to blame les, I'm not buying it at all. Morey had chances to make a difference and hasn't. Let me ask a question, how can the then intern can convince les to give up the 8th pick for battier, but now les is holding him back? Yeah, whatever.
While true, I just don't think that is best metric. Can people please stop bringing the GM to build the 1 exception since 1977 to win a title? Come on. What the Pistons did and Dumars built is a rarity. Who was the ray allen of the Rockets that Morey could trade for a top 10 pick? Yao? McGrady? You would have fired Morey for trading them at that time. It is easy to draft Harden & Westbrook when you have a Top 5 draft pick. Yes he could have potentially taken Evans or another PG, you can make those choices. When you typically pick #14 or much later, you cannot pick those players no matter what. When the person drafting would have been Carroll Dawson and he would have selected Thabo Sefalosha, how is it a bad thing that the pick was exchanged for Battier who was more ready to contribute now and more complete and got rid of the bad contract to SSwift. Say what you want but while Morey may have gavin Les/Dawson the idea, those two had the final say. Please list to me the "chances" to make a GREAT Difference?
Trust???... I think Morey is pretty open about the team plans going forward to rebuild. If you dont want to get traded, then make yourself into an all-star caliber player. This team isnt where it needs to be and everyone is expendable to get this team where it needs to go. Im not sure what trust has to do with it. He's pretty open about trading them if it upgrades the team.
Really... I shouldnt even bother commenting on this one since its been beaten to death on this board. Let me give you an example of a similar scenario that the Rockets were in at that time- Imagine a contending team like say the Bulls had the 8th pick in the draft and the best player available in their draft position was Iman Shumpurt or a Marcus Morris. If they were able to trade Shumpurt for Nicholas Batum(Battier had similar value at the time) and have a better shot at winning a title in the next two season's how can that trade be denied? Rudy Gay had raw talent coming out of college just like Shumpurt or Morris do, but its a trade they should make every day of the week. It made perfect since at the time when the Rockets were competing for a title. Battier and Rudy Gay are completely different players now then they were then. Hinesight is always 20/20. Get over the Battier/Gay trade.
If they players do not like/trust Morey then by proxy they don't like/trust the organization. And don't think for a minute that is not talked about in the league, Morey's no extensions policy can not be popular and is definitly not helping make Houston an attractive destination. Also, if you are a little nicked up, why play? I mean the org doesn't really care enough for you, so you might as well take care of yourself first. There is a lot to like about Morey, but I think his people management skills are not all that great. IMO, numbers guys make great CFO's and terrible CEOs....too risk averse and they make emotionless decisions. They are better as support people for leaders of men. DD
Also I'm not sure Morey has done any player any injustice. Landry: Got developed here and is getting paid. T-Mac: Got traded to the team he wanted Ariza: Went from a lottery team to a playoff team Brooks: Being pissed having to backup Lowry before traded Battier: became a hero in Memphis for their 2nd round run and likely will win a title with the Heat Compared to us sending SF3/Mobley to Orlando, Dickerson to Vancover, Otis to Portland, Hakeem to Toronto, Horry/Cassell to Phoenix, Morey is downright a saint when it comes to treating players right.
I hate to keep bringing up this topic as well but to me it seemed Gay would've been the perfect addition to the team. Remember Yao and Tmac were both showing signs of being injury prone and the Rockets were just about devoid of real athletes with size. The Battier move just gave us a marginal role player and we got embarrassed in the playoffs that year. Remember the game where only 4 players scored??? That's just my 2 cents.
Yeah I am sure they are all ok with not getting an extension or offer until the market set the price. I mean Battier was griping about it.....and when he is griping..well..... You guys try managing people and then saying to them....well, we like you but go out and get an offer and we will see if we want to match it or not. Ask Chuck Hayes how he feels...... DD
Yeah, I share similar thoughts regarding Morey. If I was a player, I would rather my agent deal with another GM.
Just using him as an example, but I think the Rockets should have made an offer to Landry, Lowry, Scola and Hayes instead of letting the market set the price..... DD
I think they did as well as they could. Certainly on Scola, and possibly on Lowry. I doubt he would have signed for less.
The problem with your constant griping about this is that there's no evidence that points to the fact that the better teams treat their players differently. You think the Mavs don't treat their players like assets? They go through players faster than any team I've seen. It's not like the Spurs won each of their titles with the exact same roster. They kept their core... because, duh!, they had those guys who were important. But everyone around their core changed, every time. Heck, they just traded a guy with decent upside they only had for a few seasons in order to get a younger guy, keep cap flexibility, and fill a need. Great teams keep core players that are integral to the potential championship success of said team, while rotating through rotation players in order to best fit with that core and system. This is professional sports... not running a software or any other type of company. The Rockets don't have a core. This isn't DM's fault. T-Mac and Yao turned into Broken Knee and Broken Foot. So, it's okay to bash Morey. He's definitely made some questionable moves. He MAYBE could have turned T-Mac into better return, earlier... but then Tracy didn't exactly help out there. But complaining about how he treats his players is idiotic. Who the f cares is Kevin Martin and Scola are upset? They're above average players best suited as solid role guys on better teams. If Kevin Martin's vagina hurts, DM should trade his ass.
