[Official] NFL Week 17

The Situation · Jan 1, 2012

Lmao that's game, have fun watching the Texans in the playoffs Jerry

ubigred · Jan 1, 2012

I said before the season that Eli is better than Schaub. Of course, the homers on this board scoffed at me. Turning undrafted Cruz into Pro Bowler.

Eli > > Schaub

LonghornFan · Jan 1, 2012

ubigred said: ↑

I said before the season that Eli is better than Schaub. Of course, the homers on this board scoffed at me. Turning undrafted Cruz into Pro Bowler.

Eli > > Schaub
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Who argued that? I mean, that is completely obvious.

So fun to watch the Cowboys implode, just wish Cruz and Nix and Manning would have done this for me in the first week of fantasy football playoffs, lol.

ubigred · Jan 1, 2012

plutoblue11 said: ↑

I didn't say I would give it to him, but teams are typically desperate for QBs.

See: Kevin Kolb, Scott Mitchell, and Elvis Grbac.
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Kolb at least had his college career to back him up. Matt Flynn was a game manager at Lsu.

Uprising · Jan 1, 2012

Like I said 16 weeks ago. Only one Texas team will be in the playoffs.

vaioavan63 · Jan 1, 2012

I love it. Go crawl to your mouse hole Cowgirl fans.

tehG l i d e · Jan 1, 2012

ubigred said: ↑

I said before the season that Eli is better than Schaub. Of course, the homers on this board scoffed at me. Turning undrafted Cruz into Pro Bowler.

Eli > > Schaub
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I would think the majority would be level-headed enough to realize that unless you're just blowing the opinions of just a few out of proportion.

plutoblue11 · Jan 1, 2012

ubigred said: ↑

Kolb at least had his college career to back him up. Matt Flynn was a game manager at Lsu.
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You have a point, but college success doesn't necessarily lead to successful NFL career, as the draft is littered with QBs who were superior to Kolb in college. While, there are players who barely had any playing time at all in college, who have become decent starters and even pro bowlers in this league.

Besides, that's not really my point, if a team is desperate enough for a QB, they will give Flynn, big money. Because, there's some potential there.

Even more so, it's one unproven NFL player vs. another unproven NFL player.

Kolb wasn't (or is not) a sure bet. At some point, Flynn is likely to get his chance, next year to prove if he is a worthy NFL starter for an entire season.

Uprising · Jan 2, 2012

Well, Jerry can head down 45 to the party in reliant.

Shaud · Jan 2, 2012

A_3PO said: ↑

They quit on their coach about a dozen weeks ago. That team is a disgrace to football. Whatever Raheem Morris said/did must have been pretty bad.
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Someone on this board before the season said he would get fired if he didn't have a good year. I thought it was insane but seeing how they finished the season that guy might be right.

tellitlikeitis · Jan 2, 2012

Indeed, Raheem Morris has been ousted from Tampa Bay. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7...-fire-coach-raheem-morris-10-game-losing-skid

Bucs fire coach Raheem Morris

TAMPA, Fla. -- The Buccaneers fired Raheem Morris on Monday after his three seasons as Tampa Bay's head coach.

The team announced the change one day after a 45-24 loss to the Atlanta Falcons extended the franchise's longest losing streak within the same season since 1977 to 10 games.

"I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Glazer family for the opportunity they gave me to be the Head Coach of the Buccaneers," Morris said in a statement his agent provided to ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. "I was honored and blessed to have spent the majority of my coaching career with the same (class) organization. I grew up with the Bucs and I was fortunate enough to be part of a Super Bowl victory there."

Morris went 17-31, including a 10-6 mark in 2010, when the Bucs (4-12) narrowly missed the playoffs. His entire staff of assistants was dismissed, too.

"I have has a lot of respect and appreciation for the passion coach Morris gave to our football team, but this change is one we felt was necessary," general manager Mark Dominik said in a brief statement released by the team, which is owned by the Glazer family.

Dominik will remain in his role, a source told ESPN.com's Pat Yasinskas. Dominik is under contract for the next three seasons.

"We want to thank coach Morris for all his hard work and dedication as head coach," team co-chairman Joel Glazer said.

The Bucs scheduled a 3 p.m. ET news conference to discuss the change.

The 35-year-old Morris was hired in January 2009, replacing Jon Gruden after Tampa Bay lost the final four games of 2008 to miss the playoffs following a 9-3 start.

This year's collapse followed a 4-2 start that included wins over NFC South rivals New Orleans and Atlanta, which are both headed to the playoffs.

With young quarterback Josh Freeman showing great promise in his first full season as a starter, Tampa Bay won 10 games in 2010 to barely miss the playoffs. Morris entered training camp following the NFL lockout, declaring he had a "youngry" team that was confident it could compete with more experienced NFC South rivals New Orleans and Atlanta for the division crown.

The team's promising start included wins at home over the Falcons and Saints that lent credence to the coach's assertion that a 48-3 road loss to San Francisco was simply a bad day at the office, not a sign that the Bucs were not nearly as good as their record suggested.

Injuries contributed to the season-ending slide, but so did inconsistent play starting with Freeman who threw for 16 touchdowns vs. 22 interceptions after tossing 25 TD passes and being intercepted just six times in 2010. The Bucs turned the ball over a league-leading 40 times compared to 19 last season.

The defense, once the proud stable of a perennial playoff contender, sank to unheard of lows in Tampa Bay. In addition to surrendering a franchise-record and league-high 494 points, the Bucs lost eight games by double-digit margins and allowed 31 of more seven times during the season-ending skid.

Making matters even worse for Morris, he served as his own defensive coordinator.

Still, last week the coach layed out his argument for keeping his job.

The Bucs had the youngest team in the NFL this season, with 30 players on the 53-man roster in the first, second or third years in the league.

In addition, there are 21 players on the roster, including leading rusher LeGarrette Blount and third-leading receiver Preston Parker, who entered the NFL as undrafted free agents.

Among the veterans who didn't return in 2011 were middle linebacker Barrett Ruud and running back Cadillac Williams, who left via free agency. Rookie Mason Foster stepped into Ruud's spot and took on play-calling responsibilities, and the loss of Williams left Freeman without a proven third-down back once veteran Earnest Graham was lost for the season to injury.

"We made a collective agreement to go young when we took over this program. That's something we wanted to do," Morris said last week. "I believe in my guys. I believe in the system. I believe in the program. I believe in what we do. We want to build this thing young, and want to develop a team that goes out and wins, and wins consistently."

No one has a better understanding of how far the franchise has dipped than cornerback Ronde Barber, who became the team's all-time leader in games Sunday in the finale of his 15th season.

At 36, he's not only the oldest player on the team but the lone holdover from the roster that won the Super Bowl nine years ago. His interception and 92-yard return for a touchdown sealed Tampa Bay's victory over Philadelphia in the NFC championship game.

"It seems like a long time ago. It seems like a lifetime ago, to be honest with you. It's been a lifetime ago for a number of years. ... It almost seems like a different career," Barber said before the Atlanta game. "Lots changed since then. Our philosophy in the building. Definitely the way we play defense. It's not the same."

Barber is a close friend of Morris and conceded that the coach's status could influence whether he decides if he wants to return for a 16th season. Still, the team's career interceptions leader said he would not approach ownership to make a case for keeping Morris.

"That's not for me to do, even though if there was one person who could do it, it probably would be me," Barber said. "But that's not my job."

Regardless of who takes over for Morris, a major priority in the coming months will be getting Freeman -- the third quarterback selected in the 2009 draft behind Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez -- back on track.

While it's difficult to tell how much not being able to work at team facilities during the NFL lockout affected the growth of Freeman and the team's other young players, offensive coordinator Greg Olson is among those who feels that the 23-year-old quarterback will benefit having a normal offseason this year.

"I think this particular group of players, they'll get better, he'll get better," Olson said. "It will be a great learning opportunity for him to go back and look at the mistakes that were made throughout the season."

Barber sees hope, too.

"Our youth has got to be our uptick. It just has to," the cornerback said. "That's how we've chosen to manufacture this football team going forward, and we've got to lean on that as a positive."
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Uprising · Jan 2, 2012

Bring on the playoffs baby!

ascaptjack · Jan 2, 2012

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Big blow to Pittsburgh: Steelers RB Rashard Mendenhall tore his ACL and is out for the season.

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