Trolling? Who the hell are you? I make solid arguments with facts and you resbond with stop trolling? Really? Here is an idea, add something to the discussion and stop your damn trolling, troll. Go hate on some other team you jack-ass.
Look crash, you can try to use whatever numbers you want and believe whatever you want to believe. I know that Budinger is garbage defensively and when his shot is not falling, beyond garbage both offensively and defensively. I couldn't care less if you think otherwise and I am not going to debate this with you anymore. All I know is that I more than expect Budinger to be traded or benched soon in light of players who can do more when their shots don't fall, especially on a team that has Lowry, Martin, and Scola.
Im always in favor of an upgrade and i'm not saying Bud is an all-star but people have been talking bad about Bud since he's been here and who knows why? Why doesn't Bud get dominated by opposing teams small forwards? The numbers speak for themselvs, they should be having career numbers against Bud if he is so bad but they are not. I'm not trying to convince you that he is this all star caliber Small Forward but to say he is trash is just wrong.
People often respond in anger when they are not capable of responding to a question. How would you rate C bud amongst all of the sf in the NBA,number 25? Is C Bud better suited as a bench player?
I love it when people use the "My opinion is better than your fact" argument. It's very, very convincing when people use it.
I dont know what Bud did to deserve the hate he gets on this board but WOW. Before tonight Marvin Williams was the leading scorer on this Hawks teams, and Bud completely took him out of the game. I know that many of the people on this board do not understand the game of basketball so I will try to keep this as simple as possible, there is a thing in basketball called "Help Defense". Last night bud rotated very well on to Joe Johnson to where he could never get an open shot when they ran those pick and pop plays for Johnson. His defense is night and day from when he first came into the league as a rookie. I dont know where everyone gets the "Bud is soft" statement from. I dont even know what that means in this case honestly. I honestly think its just about his looks in this case. Nothing else makes sense to me. If your a Rockets fan, you better just get used to it. Bud is a better NBA player than Terrence Williams. T-Will is a better athlete, but it was clear as day that Budinger has once again beat Terrence out for minutes at the 3. Just deal with it and move on.
Is that why you started your post with "Stop Trolling"? Because you were not capable of adding anything intelligent to the discussioin? I don't know where I would rank Bud among NBA starting Small Forwards. Certainly in the back half since Small Forward is such a stacked position in the NBA with Guys like Melo, Lebron and Durant to name three. There aer several Small Forwards I would take over Bud in a heartbeat. Luol Dheng Iggy Granger Wilson Chandler Gay Wallace Dorrell Wright Those are players I would take over Bud with out thinking about right off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others I'm not thinking of. But players like Batum do nothing to get me excited and would not be this huge upgrade over bud IMO. Likewise if I had Batum on my team i would not be looking to trade him for Bud, since I don't think one is significantly better than the other. Maybe Batum grows into an All-Star but after 4 years in the league with getting significant minutes I think he is what he is which is why Portland went out and got Wallace. I think Bud is a solid starter capable of having big games. He is definitely a role player. My hope is that Marcus Morris turns into a stud at the Small Forward position but that is at least a year away.
I think that a lot of the numbers posted in this thread make Budinger seem better than he is. I always look at numbers, but I watch every game so I am not afraid to weigh in with numbers vs. my perception. He hits a few shots, and will stay in front of his man (sometimes) and he will collect a few boards. He seems to have a pretty solid chemistry with Jhill and we saw that last night and have seen that before. I don't think he can start on this team. He may be able to start on a team with more star power but the bottom line is that if this team wants to make the playoffs, we need a wing defender not named Kevin Martin or Chase Budinger to defend on the perimeter. I am pretty high on this team and I think we could contend in the west, but we need a small forward that is the best player on our team. That is not Cbud.
If C bud is around the 25-30 range that would indicate that he is a below average starter. I'm not saying C Bud sucks, what I'm saying is that he has limited potential and that he is a below average starter and is best suited coming off the bench.
Those statistics are extremely deceptive without context, the case for most statistics. 12.7 is below league average when viewed within a vacuum, but we do not know how it compares to the averages of those players themselves. For the majority of the year, Battier was matched up with our toughest opponents, which left Budinger going up against bench foddlers and in some cases guys who did not even belong in the NBA. Most memorable was when Dleaguer Jawad Williams in Cleveland came in and went straight at Budinger for consecutive posessions, scoring at will. He averages 4 point per game on 32% fg, and ended the night with a career high of 13 points in 13 minutes. No doubt that matching up against scrubs was the primary reason why Bud's defensive PER is inflated. Even after Battier was traded, the quality of opponents Budinger went up against remained subpar. In those 21 games, these were his matchups, and their average PER coming in: NJN - Damion James - 10.1 PER NOH - Trevor Ariza - 11.3 PER(played twice) POR - Nicolas Batum - 14.8 PER LAC - Ryan Gomes - 9.0 PER IND - Danny Granger - 17.8 PER SAC - Francisco Garcia - 13.5 PER(played twice) PHO - Grant Hill - 14.7 PER(played twice) SAS - Richard Jefferson - 12.4 PER(played twice) CHA - Stephen Jackson - 14.6 PER BOS - Paul Pierce - 19.7 PER MIA - Lebron James - 27.3 PER NJN - Sasha Vujacic - 12.3 PER PHI - Andre Iguodala - 17.3 PER ATL - Marvin Williams - 13.5 PER LAC - Jamario Moon - 10.1 PER DAL - Shawn Marion - 17.0 PER MIN - Michael Beasley - 15.5 PER That is opponents with an average of 14.4 PER, and that's assuming Bud was matched up with the other team's top SF the whole night, as opposed to having Lee or Hayes on Lebron like I remembered it. So out of Bud's 78 games last year, 57 were played against opponents bench foddlers(PERs around 10 I would guess), and 21 against starters with an average of 14.4 PER coming into the game. On average he held his opponents to 12.7 on the year. Much less impressive than Hollinger makes it out to be, given the context. Overall though, I do agree that some posters, like myself, may be overly harsh on our criticism of Bud. Personally I believe it is justified. Believe it or not, Bud's lack of defense is not the reason why I "hate" on him so much. I simply cannot stand or be a fan of a player who is so timid and does not compete. This is the NBA. I thought it stood for "No Boys Allowed". When scrubs that noone has ever heard of is coming at you and taking your lunch money, I want to see that competitive fire light up in your eyes. Not back down into the fetal position. This was my same gripe with Brooks as well. I don't care if you lack the talent, just compete and fight. I'd rather go down fighting with a Ryan Bowen than pamper a Chase Budinger who has plenty of physical talent and skills but can barely muster up a fighting spirit until someone literally steps on his face.
Im not refusing to give Bud credit. He did play well as a starter and he deserves credit for that. But i'm not going to praise a guy for being able to bounce back 100 times in a season (exaggeration, i know). The OP wants to believe that's a good thing because he's bouncing back, but that tells me he's having too many slumps to bounce back from. It's great that he stepped up as a starter post-break, but he'll have to go through a season to really prove people wrong.
I have no problem with the thread because there are typically more threads bashing Bud than there are praising him.
He did this last year too. He was in a funk early in the season and got a lot of hate for that. This guy takes time to ease into the game and once he gets those bad games out of the way hes pretty much solid for the rest of the season.
That's usually the case here, unless their name is lowry or scola. Bud got plenty of praise when he started and played well, IMO.
So most of your problem with him is that he is not demonstrative? Some people are not wired to yell and scream but that doesn't mean they don't fight or play hard. But I do see your point, he does not come off as a major competitor, though I think he is probably more of one than most people think. DD
Just stop. Thats just deceptive language that doesn't mean anything. If the league has 50 Lebron James and 1 Carmello Anthony, then Anthony would be the worst SF in the league, but it doesn't mean he is bad. Bud is fine.
Was he? He was matched up against Marvin Williams most of the night, how did he do? Bud did not exactly shut Marvin Williams out last night but he held him below his season average at a modest 42% FG shooting. Bud out played Marvin last night but I have always liked Marvin Williams. If he were offered up in a trade for Bud I would have to jump. Of course posters like Cxbby would hate Marvin because he sometimes seems like he is just coasting through the game and not competing.
