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Bud Proving Clutch Critics Wrong. Again!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by coachbadlee, Jan 1, 2012.

  1. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    4-9 is good?
     
  2. PinoyRocket

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    he was just a little bit dusty...
     
  3. King901

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    So if he deos bad the next game are you going to write another thread saying you're wrong? One good game and one bad game doesnt determine who a player is...
     
  4. crash5179

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    I think as a starter Bud has been consistant. His defense, as coachbadlee points out, is underrated. Even Hollenger points out that he was very effective on defense last season. I see no reason not to give Bud credit, even if it is early in the season, since none of his critics have an issue with waiting till later in the season to critisizing him.
     
  5. jc9495

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    Bud's a solid player, good not great. But for this team on the offensive side, he's a perfect fit. Forget about his streaky shooting, he moves well without the ball, knows when and where to cut. He understands the system and a player with his range helps out the spacing.
    He's not a two-way player and probablly never will be, but if he's getting toasted on the defensive end, then McHale can sub him for Lee.
     
  6. crash5179

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    Don't you thihk 45% field goal shooting is good for a wing player? I think any coach in the league would be happy with that.
     
  7. crash5179

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    As we have seen over the last two seasons there are plenty of Bud critics just waiting for a bad game so they can start a new "Bud Sucks Thread" so don't get offended at a thread praising him after a good game.

    And I don't think it's just one good game. Bud was very good as a starter last season and was the key reason for the Rockets improved play after the Shane Battier trade.
     
  8. emjohn

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    Budinger's fine. He's not more than a role player, which is fine. Williams is a super talented baller that can't figure it out in a deliberate pro system - and he's far from the first. All the offseason excitement was silly. He won a 3 point contest! He gave a shout out to Clutchfans! I said it then, and'll say it again: I'm rooting for him to succeed since he's a Rocket....but he's got to prove it in the games. So far, his game action has been dismal.

    Somehow, he's less valuable than Thabeet.
     
  9. jayhow92

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    Dude it's only been 1 week of basketball. Not enough information to assess his starting job yet.
     
  10. coachbadlee

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    No fairweather fan here.
     
  11. coachbadlee

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    Way better than 0-5.
     
  12. T-Slack

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    I wish he would show more of his play making skills. I remember watching him in the Mcdonald's all star game and playing with Durant he willed his team to the win with his passing skills.
     
  13. King901

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    This is my whole point. I didnt know a 17pt game can make or break a player.
     
  14. valorita

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    Bud had a decent to good game. However this doesn't change the fact that he is not starting material and even more so should not start next to Martin. Starting Bud next to Martin is like... Brooks and Martin. It just doesn't work.
    Bud is a rotational player and I do not hate his game, but reality is that he should not be starting next to scola and martin if we want to win anything serious.
     
  15. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    Budinger lives and dies by his shot. When his shot fails on him, he fails as a player. That is quite honestly the only thing he offers to keep himself in this league. Guys who jump high, but are slow laterally are a dime a dozen, but most of the ones that stuck around had a few things Budinger does not, consistency and aggression. When Bud's shot is off, he is simply a waste of breath in the stadium.
     
  16. crash5179

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    He also seems to be one of the better players at getting to the rim and finishing. It has also been proven that his defense is not as bad as is the perception by many on this board.
     
  17. valorita

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    it's not as bad as some people say but it's still pretty bad.
     
  18. flamingdts

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    Don't know about you guys but after the fiesta Bud pulled off last season he is anything but consistent.

    I don't think starting Bud is a good idea in the long term, but at this moment until T-Will gets his act together and/or Morris gets his shot, Bud will remain the starter. But in no way does that suggest our SFs are good, it just means we have no other options.

    To be fair Bud hasn't taken the leap we wanted him to last season, he regressed terribly. The performance he's putting up in this game is not anything more special than what he did in his rookie season. The only difference is Bud was actually more consistent in his rookie season than he is now.

    Granted, in the end Chase is a late second round player. So we can't expect too much from him. He's ceiling is most likely that of an off the bench SF, so we might have expected too much of him to play like an actual starter.
     
  19. chenjy9

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    You can come up with whatever delusion or fantasy you want, but I watched the games last year and opposing scrub wings would consistently go off on him. I agree that due to his ups and height, he can get to the rim and finish easier, but a great deal of our frustrations is he only does consistently that against defensively crappy teams and easily fall back into jump shots against good teams. This AGAIN outlines his main issues; consistency and aggressiveness. When his shot IS falling, it allows his fanboys to make threads like this going "Herp derp! Bud shuts up his critics!" No he didn't! He has not shut anyone up. He shot good for one game. Great let's see you do it consistently now.
     
  20. crash5179

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    You guys are basing your oppinions on perception not facts. Many of us were saying that Bud was playing solid defense last season despite the many critics and non-believers last that swamp the board with perception and not fact. Bud will never make the all star game based on defense but it is not as bad as you make it out to be.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/PERDiem-111228/2011-12-all-breakout-team

     

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