Hey, in all seriousness, I would have been against tanking a few years ago. Even though it cost us Brandon Roy....who might have gotten us a ring with a still healthy T-mac and Yao. But who knows. Point being, we need to get into the draft somehow or another. No, it is no guarantee for landing us a superstar. But I can sure as hell guarantee that we will never be a contender again with the course we are on. I actually like Kevin Martin a lot. I really do. I think he reminds me of Reggie Miller in a lot of ways. It's too bad Dwight would not want to come to Houston. Because honestly, if we had D.H. we'd be able to knock off any team. The firepower and the defense is there.
You would have blown up the Rockets prior to 1992. They were coming off a 42-40 season with little promise and their new coach was the interim coach from the year before.
You know (or should know) that that just isn't going to happen. Yet you're against the Gasol trade (and the subsequent plan to acquire Nene, I'm assuming). In effect you've chosen the present course (win as much as possible with the current squad + Dalembert) over a frontline of Gasol and Nene, which would be one of the best 4/5 combos in the league. When the Rockets are top 5 in the West this year, I guess you'll be left to wonder what could have been with Gasol/Nene instead of Dalembert/Scola.
Me. What a bunch of quitters. Some of these people have the nerve to say that someone is not a "true Rockets fan" if they don't hate the Jazz or the Mavs or whoever, but then those same people root for their own team to lose!! I know who I believe the "true" fans are, and it's those rooting for Rockets victory every night they play. Anyone else is deluding themselves and an abject fraud.
YEAH! Let's tank! Let's get a Dwight Howard, a Lebron James, or a Chris Paul on the next draft... who's going to ask to be traded after a while.
I don't root for my team to lose, I am just giving you an honest assessment of how we can be a contender again. If that is not important than you are absolutely right. I will still be a Rockets fan win or lose, mediocre or great or suck. I enjoy watching them play. I don't think it makes anyone a less of a fan for wanting to get a high draft pick. I root for the players to play well and make great plays. But I am also realistic. If this team could win 45 games as constructed than it would be a different scenario. Because we could pick up someone or make a trade that could bring us over the top into contender status. But we are not anywhere near that. So I advocate moving our best talent for draft picks and going into a full rebuild mode. I still hope the Rockets play well and are exciting, but I am willing to lose now to win more later.
In looking over this thread there doesnt seem to be alot of distinction between 'tanking' and 'rebuilding'.... so for clarification sake.... Tanking means you WANT TO LOSE (to get a high draft pick.) (websters definition: to lose intentionally : give up in competition) Rebuilding means you are focused more on the future wins than wins today - but doesnt mean you are advocating losing. You can trade 'assets' but still hope and try to win... It's a fine line, but I believe they are two very different opinions... If someone feels Scola is getting old and wants to trade him for a draft pick to get a younger player but still wants to see the team do well and roots for them to win... thats rebuilding... If someone wants us to trade Scola and whoever else so we will suck, intentionally get fewer wins and a higher draft pick - thats tanking. Personally, I oppose both... Tanking is crap - see original post Rebuilding is a legit view, but I dont feel its necessary... (despite the dreaded 'treadmill of mediocrity' lol) Some may call the difference semantics. I call it sportsmanship.
The difference then is we had a franchise player. Just because you have a losing team doesn't mean you tank. You all are missing the big picture.
Or...or...or...we could trade for 1! Or...or...or...we could sign 1 for a FA! Or...or...or...we just draft at 14 every year and play .500 ball for the remainder of our lifetimes! Wooohoooo!!!!
Not if Morey moves fast and surround the superstar with quality players and win a ring. If Morey surrounds the superstar with zombies like Cleveland did, then he'll surely opt out.
It's really not about wanting your team to lose as much as it is wanting to feel good about the direction your team is heading in. If you're not going to win, then give us some hope for the future. 3 games don't prove anything... Who knows how exactly how good or bad the Rockets will end up being. But I'd still rather this team rebuild if they can't make the star trade soon. Liking what I see from Chandler Parsons. Give up the "CP" nickname, Bull.
For the most part, you make alot of sense, but you have to realize that tanking is not something that has ever taken place in Houston and keep things in perspective. In fact, the Rockets were accused of tanking in 1984, along with a few other teams. If those rumors are true, we would've been as guilty as any other franchise. So before, we start to accuse any team or organization of losing games on purpose or begin to create a holier than thou stance, we must look at our own organization, and even how the Rockets might acquired certain players. Being one of reasons, the league moved to a draft lottery. If you found out we did tank to get Olajuwon, how does that make you feel about us being gifted a Hall of Fame player. The 1984 season was the last in which the NBA used a coin flip between the worst Eastern and Western Conference teams to determine the No. 1 draft pick. The lottery began in 1985 to eliminate the longstanding practice of teams tanking games down the stretch to improve their draft position or get a shot at the coin flip. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/news/2001/08/02/sayitaintso_rockets/ http://www.reclinergm.com/coin-flip-to-lottery-did-the-rockets-tank-to-get-olajuwon/ http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-11-05/news/30365016_1_lottery-frank-layden-roger-goodell http://www.chron.com/sports/article/Theories-on-Houston-teams-tanking-are-not-new-1937648.php http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...lout-article-1.972775?localLinksEnabled=false http://www.hornetsreport.com/HRForu...-Draft-quot-What-if-quot-Rockets-1984-tanking http://m.naplesnews.com/news/2011/oct/04/david-moulton-time-dolphins-get-rid-sparano-irelan/ Not saying tanking is a good thing or bad thing, but for the most part the NBA is a for-profit business. Like many businesses, it's main concern is revenue, not human ethics and interests. For the most part, franchises come at it different ways, some do their best to stay competitive without manipulation, while others simply are for collecting receipts, no matter the state or progress of a particular roster. For some teams, it's not enough to throw a mediocre roster without a star attraction on the floor, because of fickle, fair-weathered fans or simply because people are not entertained by a team that is not competitive and/or entertaining to watch. Most of all, it's the owner's team, if he or she is making the decision to go into total meltdown mode. That's it. Tanking does convey desperation, and a franchise that cannot properly construct a decent roster. There's nothing you can do about it, but the draft lottery, somewhat dissuades, because most teams typically end up in draft position comparable to their record. It's almost a non-issue, if teams are tanking, because it only reflects on their franchise, while if team management believe a team is so miserable that it needs to intentionally lose to gain a questionable NBA amateur (No NBA pick is a sure thing). It's like whatever, just let them go about it. In fact, there are less risk, the further you go down in the draft, while drafting superstars is not sure thing in every draft. Spurs were accused of tanking in 1997, while John Lucas said that he believed that the Cavs were tanking for LeBron. http://www.aolnews.com/2010/01/13/john-lucas-cavs-tanked-to-get-lebron/
Nobody knew Hakeem was a franchise player back then, other than Rocket management apparently. Do you seriously think that 5 straight years of not making it out of the first round ('88-'92) would have gone over well in today's climate? Do you think that everyone would be okay with standing pat other than landing the last pick in the lotto (Horry) and hoping that made the Rockets contenders? Were fans feeling good about that direction?
Well if we are going to suck I hope this is the year we do it. A Short season so it'll be over in a blink and then the upcoming draft will have some good players.
Yes sir. Yes sir. Not tanking. Rebuilding through the draft or young players. A defined direction to improve to a Championship type team. Not a barely 500 team or slightly good team. It is certainly not called tanking. Tanking is on purpose. What we will do hopefully is make a few trades and if we lose? Then so be it. Its not tanking if its trades to go in another direction that causes losses as a by product.
Most of these guys except maybe for Lowry will be gone. We'll tank. Get one hell of an amazing big man. The world will be good again. it will take a year or two for that guy to be ultimately seasoned. By then some of these guys will be out. Spurs tanked and got Duncan. Without that one sad season they would not have dominated a decade. Are we really going to pass up on the big guys you see this draft. It's tank time. If the guys don't bounce back next season trade them. We need someone to build around. I definitely hope we're not going to build around Martin and who ever is on this roster. They are all tradable assets.
You got to be kidding me. He was the number one pick and awesome every year except the one he was injured. He was considered the best center along with Ewing at the time. I can't believe you just made this statement.
