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Ron Paul at 0% in Israel

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mathloom, Dec 27, 2011.

  1. Nook

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    Hmm.....
     
  2. esteban

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    Sorry that you had to endure that mess. Mr and Mrs Esteban would have been sitting comfortably in that cab and the Emirati douche would have been lying on the sidewalks all twisted up like a pretzel(Don't mess with the Zohan).
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    Spoke to one of the ladies from the hotel again who witnessed that thing yesterday, and she said the guy was actually probably not an Emirati, but from Lebanon. She said the Emiratis usually don't act like that.
     
  4. Svpernaut

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    I love Ron Paul, but sadly he has no chance at winning an election. You have to play politics to be elected President, and he is too bluntly honest to do so.
     
  5. HombreDeHierro

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    Well that just means we're ****ed forever. Politics just mean the pertinent issues are being overlooked to gain votes
     
  6. Mathloom

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    You won't get arrested for arguing lol.

    There's no neutrality issue, foreigners will say the police are baised towards emiratis, and emiratis all claim that police are biased towards "western" expats, etc.

    It seems as though the problem is with consistency more than anything else, so I advise you to do as I do and and just stay away from trouble. I'm not sure how the nationality or the age or bla bla bla of someone who bothered you is relevant, I don't think you should take particular care with Emiratis, though naturally you are more likely to face a powerful Emirati than powerful non-Emirati by virtue of the fact that Emiratis grow up here, make a lot of money and usually work for government.
     
  7. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I concur, shiites and sunnis hate each other.

    I concur, Iran did not help in 9/11.

    I disagree that the scumbag leaders involved would not put money or power above religion. Therefore, it's possible, but I rule it out because it's way too late and the US visibly ramped up over-exaggerated anti-Iran rhetoric just a few weeks ago, which detracts from its credibility IMO. If you don't recognize these events from pre-Iraq (mutated media, abnormal allies, abnormal enemies, massaging the ME politicians, etc) then you're going to fall for the same trap again.

    The problem with Iran is not nuclear technology, the problem is those who are in charge of weapons in Iran. Now Iranians are going to suffer, they are going to lose their money, their land, their infrastrucutre, their ability to fight corruption, their ability to defend themselves from Israel's 200 nukes, etc. Frankly, if the US was genuinely interested in diplomacy in Iran, it would stay out and maybe lend support to internal movements. Iranians unanimously agree that they want to get rid of the government, and that they will.

    Iran having 1/200th of the nuclear power of Israel is not reason enough to set the nation of Iran back 10-20 years and kill hundreds of thousands of people.

    Remember that external pressure is delaying the change in regime, which would effectively eliminate the risk of misusing nuclear technology.

    Unless of course you believe Iranians will then pursue an Islamist regime and attack israel. I might even start that thread in advance, to get a head start on mocking those who will believe it when the media throws it at them in 4-6 weeks.
     
  8. Bandwagoner

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    We are not concerned with the relative nuclear power. We are concerned about even 1 nuclear device. Your arguments about governments close to being overthrown make those concerns grow, not retract.
     
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  9. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Why?

    It's not a threat to Israel. It's not a threat to the US, be serious. Iran is surrounded on all sides by US allies, does not have the range or the support to hit the US in the US, so on and so forth.

    Having a weapon is not a problem - this is a position that the US supports around the world almost always.

    Having a weapon coupled with an irresponsible government is a problem - that is a position that the US supports around the world almost always.

    The problem is the Iranian regime, and that's what should be targeted. The nuclear hoopla is just a distraction from the fact that a non-war position is out of the question.

    Iran has to defend itself from Israel, and since Israel is nuclear armed, ultimately every non-US-puppet nation is going to seek that technology to defend itself.

    If Israel doesn't have nukes, the Middle East is the most nuke-free zone in the world.
     
  10. AroundTheWorld

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    This post doesn't compute. At all.
     
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    Jackie, for you the neo-con line might he self evident, but is that all you got?
     
  13. Blake

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    These are the same morons who thought iraq had something to do with 9/11 and supported the invasion based on that justification. Now all of a sudden it's Iran. Get 'em!
     
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  14. AroundTheWorld

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    Do you actually think the current government in Iran having nuclear weapons is not a threat to Israel? :confused:
     
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    This came to mind when reading the thread title.

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  16. HorryForThree

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    It's not necessarily a military threat as much as it is a political one.

    Should Iran ever procure a nuclear weapon, even one with minimal capabilities, it is unlikely the first order of business will be attacking Israel. Israel likes to paint that picture, but what is more likely is that a nuclear Iran would become a force who's greivances would have to be taken seriously.

    If, for example, Iran objected to Palestinian conditions in Gaza, Israel would perhaps find it in their best interest to work more ardently for a peaceful resolution that is amicable to both parties. In a sense, Iran will be equipped to 'bully' the peace process further than it has otherwise gone up till now, which has essentially been US diplomatic regimes carrying Israels water, brokering deals that offer few to no concessions for Palestine, whichin turn virtually guarantees ongoing hostilities.

    If you are Iran, there's no reason to stop pursuing nuclear capabilities. In a sense, it actually brings more peace and security as the US and other nations might be more reluctant to conduct covert operations on your soil knowing what could potentially materialize.
     
  17. Raven

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    It sure would be nice if America stopped asking how high every time Israel said jump.
     
  18. AroundTheWorld

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    You seem to be assuming that the Iranian government wants peace - when Ahmadinejad has already publicly stated that he wants to see Israel wiped off the map.
     
  19. HorryForThree

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  20. AroundTheWorld

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    From your second link:

    You can play semantics as much as you want, Ahmadinejad is a ruthless, fanatic dictator who cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons.

    And your first link is from a right-wingnut conspiracy theorist.
     

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