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Kobe Bryant's Wife files for divorce

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by SPF35, Dec 16, 2011.

  1. SPF35

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    yea bayless is one of the few on ESPN who doesn't kiss lebron's a%s no matter what he does and make excuses for him. On this comment, I don't agree, but most people don't interpret what athletically gifted means. Bayless agrees on this that Lebron is hte most athletically gifted player ever, but not hte best player. This is just what they were gifted by genetics in terms of athletics where lebron with his special size and balance ability is unique in the history of the league, as far as MJ and kobe, they were both very gifted in their prime but I would say about the same really, maybe mj had a bit more hops
     
  2. plutoblue11

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    He does for Tim Tebow.

    Even with LeBron, it's a bit questionable, to leave him out of NBA's top 5 players, yet include Dirk and Melo. Both players, marginally more flawed than Lebron.
     
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    Moreover, I even disagree with his views on the hall of fame (not the hall of very good), especially with his stance on Biggio and Palmeiro. Especially, considering that baseball is almost the ultimate team sport, in which alot of good players played on some bad teams.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/050715
     
  4. SPF35

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    no, both players are not as gifted as lebron and have made the most with what they have. Melo is slower and clunkier, but he is quick, but has no speed. That s aid, his flaw is on defense which is at times just laziness. But he has the most offensive skill in the leauge or at least top 5 in terms of offensive skill. He is deadly midrange, his foot work is amazing, and he can bang with the best of them in the post and midrange and from the perimter. He is good because of the skill he developed.

    Dirk as well is just not very quick and tough although tall, his footwork is not ideal for defense and he does try hard if you see him, but its just not that. That said, even though he is not quicker and stronger, he also has prefected and fine tuned his offensive skill to which he can beat poeple faster, stronger, taller on a regular basis.

    Lebron on the other end is a guy with the body of a real strong PF with the foot work and still leg speed of a Guard. He is probably the most athletically gifted thin I have seen come across the game due to this versatility. He has gotten better, but even noteable NBA vets and legends have spoken about the holes that he had 6-7 years in the game, no superstars should have, basic fundamentals on his hsot(which he corrected last year), subpar free throw shooting for a perimiter guy, footwork where he travels regularly, not using onball and offball pics regularly shows his lack of appreciation and focus on the mere fundamentals of his game. Obviously he can still get by, he is skilled/mart enough to utilize his athleticism to take down so many other nba players, but he should be that much better given what he has. You can see zones take away games like last year in the finals and in the olympics you could see him do well, but he woudl be stopped and couldn't take over and when they needed a bucket, they went to Kobe, Melo, or Wade(guys with a more fine tuned skill game to create the buckets)
     
  5. SPF35

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    he could've and still could be better than MJ, kobe and so on because of his gifts, but like shaq said in his game, the approach that lebron has to practice and getting better compared to kobe's obsessive almost scientific study of the game is the reason someone with less gifts has had a more respected career
     
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    I think it's weird how everyone just assumes that Kobe raped a woman just because he was accused. I mean, I dislike Kobe as much as the next guy, but whatever happened to the old saying, "innocent until proven guilty?"
     
  7. Johnson2000

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    LOL are you serious, Kobe is a black man in America( who alledgely raped a white woman). Do you honestly think the media is gonna side with him. Even if that woman and her friends knew she was lying, she knows that she is white, and he is black. And that she will most likely win in court.

    I remmeber ESPN's Lester's Munson back in 2004 saying that, the city were the alledged sexual assualt took place(is one of the more racist counties in all of america, when it comes to prosecuting black men.) That girl could have been lying through her teeth, but its obvious her lawyers knew she would have the upper hand with public opinion, and in the court of law, and just waited for Kobe to panic and settle out of court
     
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    It's still kind of sort of misses the point, because LeBron is arguably the best player, when it comes to overall production, if that's the case how is he doing this, while he's very one of the best perimeter defenders in the league.

    Regardless, of their physical makeup, what keeps Dirk and Melo from being at least adequate defenders, even Dirk, he's 7 footer, who doesn't intimidate people with his size. You say his footwork isn't ideal for defense, but how does that give him pass. As basketball player, I thought everyone is supposed to play defense, it's not a one side position, like in football or a DH in baseball.

    As flawed as LeBron, he's still better than all of these other forwards, even Durant. LeBron is a more complete player than Durant.

    It's weird how people evaluate LeBron. I have never seen why people expect him to be great at every single aspect of the game, when I probably can't even name 10-15 players who were nearly perfect at basketball. Seriously, alot fans and even critics are nit-picking things that aren't really pertinent to his success. Because, if he won last year, you wouldn't hear any talk about his post play. Even more, so it's not expected of other small forwards as much. Especially, since if post play is not his strength, it's just not something he would use alot. It would help him. I have really never seen a more criticized player, especially in modern history.

    My biggest point is that one should critical of other players in the same way, especially, I wouldn't consider LeBron a lazy or cowardice player, by any stretch of imagination. Especially, when you have a boatload of scorers who almost show no kind of will on defense, never exceedingly improve their games.
     
  9. SPF35

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    I disagree, Durant is far more offensively skilled than lebron. His dominance in USA showed his skillset translates beyond NBA rules which are notorious to bring the best out of their stars. His shots, mechanics, useage of pics, creating space is better than lebron already and he is years younger. I am not saying lebron is bad, but given his physical gifts he should be better than anyone else. He is a stat stuffer and I consider him the BEST fantasy basketball player in the game today, but when it comes down to winning in the biggest stages when you need to have fundamentals, footwork, the basics to be able to create and make things happen, he will shy away. Last year was his FIRST year as a top notch defender by the way, before that he was always just an offball player who picked passes and offside blocks rather than actual defense. Statistics can always be misleading and don't always tell the full story of skillset, etc. You are right that Dirk should concentrate and be more intimidating on defense if he focused on that to get ebtter timing and use his size and carmello I have seen flashes when he wants to guard he was able to lockdown lebron even, but their focus is primarily offense and that is one thing that keeps them from being in the greatest in the league conversation(even though they are in the best offensive players in the league conversation). Lebron's demands are bigger because A) he has gifts that no one else has, his physical tools allow him or should allow him to do things offensively and defensively perhaps unmatched by any other player and more versatile in this league. He has shown signs of being really ogod, but not reaching the potential and that is disappointing to some as his potential is higher than even kobes or MJs, bt their commitment, focus, dedication, respect, and study of the game surpasses lebron(but lebron brings it on himself by going on about he is a student of the game, yada yada when it took his 6-7 years to learn some of the basic flaws and fundamentalst hat he did last year which is much longer than it took most stars) B) he brings it on himself with the guarantees of the championship, talking about himself in 3rd person, referring to himsefl as king james, won't let people he does commercials with talk to him directly(only through a lebron representative even if he is right next to him), i mean this kind of thing will only put a target on your back to back it up and in the biggest stages as well where it showed this is Dwade's team.
    Hopefully he reaches this, he should be better than Kobe, Wade, or anyone no contest and he still could very well get there and hopefully these experiences and failures are humbling on his approach and dedication rather than him just thinking that' he still gets to go abck to how he wants to live and we still have to go back to our problems'
     
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    More like innocent until you pay the girl off so the trial doesn't go through?
     
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    Gotta do what you gotta do... :p
     
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    Not sayin it was ok what he did, but isn't it kinda weird he just payed off the family and that's it.

    I believe if he truly raped the girl she would of taken him to court sued the hell out of him and he would get maybe some jail time.

    Idk it happened a while ago but just a very strange situation.
     
  13. Nook

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    She did report it to the police, and charges were filed. She eventually said she did not want to testify after numerous death threats and cameras following her everywhere.

    The weird thing is that Kobe later admitted he could see how she did not think it was non consensual....
     
  14. Johnson2000

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    Nook are really gonna believe that a multi-million dollar athlete, raped some random girl(WOW). Just because she is white, doesnt mean she is telling the truth. Kobe doesnt drink liquor, nor does he do drugs, he was in his right mind when the alledged assualt took place. The girl in question on the other hand was a bonefided &^%$, she had 3 other guys &^$% in her undergarments(what does that tell you)

    White Women know they have power over black man in the court of public opinion. Look at Amani Toomer's ex-wife( she reportedly had 6 abortions) are you serious, also Michael Strahan's wife too. Look at how quickly Elin Nordegren was so quick to jump to another billionaire after her divorce with Tiger Woods(Yet all of those women recieved passes) Stop believing white women are telling the truth, just because they are white(sorry to be so animated, but these type of things anger me)

    I bet you are also one of the few that believe Ben Roethelisberger did not rape those 2 women, and the club did not cover for him. I remmeber when the news came out about Big Ben, and ESPN waited 3 days to report it. If that was Ron Artest, or Milton Bradley that "alledgedly" raped a young white girl in Georgia(no less) the media would be having a field day. The media claimed that the girl was after money(which could also be true). But doesnt the same rule apply to Kobe Bryant( what is the difference, other than race)

    That white girl was after his money, you and I both know it. She was probably recieving death threats because Kobe and his rep knew she was lying( and just wanted his money). She knew she could lie(because of her race, and im sure her lawyers advised her on that). Especially the part of Denver she was in. Kobe wasnt about to make some girl rich for nothing. But obviously Kobe ended up caving because even though he was probably innocent( he as a black man would still be sent to prison, considering the county the case was being held in). So it was either prison, or pay her off. She ended up winning that fight

    But go back to ESPN Legal Analyst Lester Munson, when he said in 2004, that the county where the alledged sexual assualt took place, is one of the more racist counties in all of america(when it comes to prosecuting black men). So it wouldnt matter if he was innocent, they would most likely have sent Kobe to prison if they gone to trial anyways(Do you know how many innocent black men are sitting in prison at this very second). The only difference is, you dont hear about the them, because they are not well known like Kobe is, and they either dont have the resources, or the money to fight the case.


    Yes America is a great country, and i am defintely proud to be an American(but at the same time, as a black man. I know that I am one step away from prison, if I am at the wrong place, at the wrong time)
     
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  16. Nook

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    Sounds to me like you have some serious insecurities and racist thoughts. I never said anything about the race of anyone... good to know that you think about it though.....
     
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    You are delusional man. Just look at her..listen to her. I can see scum in the way people look and sound and she is lying her money-grubbing ass off.
     
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    Exactly its sad man!!!!!

    Kobe has never had a history of being abusive to women(unlike Mike Tyson), then all of a sudden out of nowhere( some girl claims that Kobe raped her)


    The Sad Part about this situation is that, if Kobe Bryant were Charlie Sheen( the media, and press would do a complete 180 on their opinions of the girl)

    It was obvious she was after money
     
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    On a sidenote........Just read that Tony Parker had an affair with Brent Barry's wife that led to the divorce with Longoria....

    WTH.....didn't know that.....
    Poor Brent
     
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