What EVIDENCE do we have that Morey is doing a great/good job?

And you know who told Donnie about Dirk? It was Charles Barkley.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-mavericks/headlines/20110527-donnie-nelson-charles-barkley-was-the-first-guy-to-tell-me-about-dirk-nowitzki.ece

But Don (the dad) was the GM at the time and he was the one who orchestrated the Bucks/Mavs trade. Donnie was just an assistant coach at the time.

So you fault Morey for trading Bobby Jackson and Donte Green in getting Artest? I'm at a loss at what to say. That bankrupt plan is Les' plan, blame him. McHale as a coach is a bit of a wildcard, I'm on the fence still, but better than Lawrence Frank IMO.

 

No matter. The point to be made here is that Donnie and the Mavs went out and actually found a franchise player. That's what counts when your goal is to contend for a championship. And that is far different from what I see Morey and the Rockets doing right now. All of this discount bargain bin player shopping is well and good but in the end, I believe that in order to turn things around, the Rockets will just have to go out and find that guy on their own like Dallas did with Dirk.

I hated that trade because I despise that POS Ron Artest. I wanted no part of that psycho. And that one is all on Morey because it all worked out really well as the Rockets today are so much off because of that trade (yeah right). As for that bankrupt plan from Les, we agree but Morey did his damnest to execute it to perfection long after it was obvious that the reasoning behind pairing Yao & MeMac was unworkable. That trade for Artest is proof of that. Folks here want to give him a pass for the past 5 years because Yao & Tmac broke down and that is their perrogative but I just see another 5 years wasted in much the same manner as were the previous years under CD. With the Rockets, the years just keep on passing by and the bodies in the uniforms may change but the end result is the same where the Rockets remain on the outside looking in. As for McHale, I caught his standup act on NBA TV. I wasn't impressed with him as an analyst and am even less impressed with his "I'm an NBA Head Coach Now" routine.

 

Dallas "found" the guy on their own by trading their own lotto pick, which they acquired by finishing 20-62 the previous season and starting AC Green and Shawn Bradley in the frontcourt.

 

fires adelman.

Brings in Mchale.

 

exactly, such a simple answer it shoudn't even be worth mentioning. People overrate our management to a great degree.

 

EXACTLY right

Thats why I said besides BIG NAMES (without considering circumstances, just that its a big name added on team roster)

that Morey is BETTER than CD in EVERYTHING else - contracts, draft picks, eye for cheap talent, etc




It doesnt matter whether CD used having stars on the team already or if its relationships with other GMs or just being persuasive on his own, Morey hasnt brought in the caliber of those kinds of stars.

To Morey's CREDIT - The CURRENT team WITHOUT those kinds of names is performing just as well as the big name Steve Francis & Yao teams.

 

Without Charles Barkley telling Donnie about Dirk, the Mavs would have found nothing. So by your reasoning, we should luck out by having Matt Bullard tell JB Bickerstaff about some player he saw. And like Sam pointed out, suck enough to have a high lottery pick of your own. Which goes against what Les wants btw.

Again, the Yao and Tmac pairing was what Les wanted. If you think Morey was going to talk Les into getting rid of Tmac or Yao at the time and stay employed by him, you're living in a dream world. So bashing the Artest deal just because you don't like Artest doesn't refute the fact Morey got a proven good player for not much.

I'm sure you'll be unimpressed with Morey's moves until the Rockets actually hoist another trophy, so how about the rest of us will just let you know when that happens so you won't have to waste your time catching up.

 

How many GM's are Facebook friends with Morey?

 

I don't get what's wrong with the Ron Artest trade. Ron was a big part of a team that won 50+ games and took the Lakers to 7 games in the 2nd round despite McGrady being either out or ineffective the whole year. It worked out as well as you can expect any one-year rental to work out. Probably my favorite season and certainly the most successful season in the last decade or so of Rockets basketball.

In the bargain, the Rockets traded Donte Greene and a late 1st rounder that turned into Omri Casspi. No disrepect to these two, but I don't think anyone is losing sleep over losing them.

When Ron left, the Rockets essentially took the available salary slot and signed Trevor Ariza, who was then traded for Courtney Lee.

 

LOL at anyone that was against the Artest trade.

IMO, best trade Morey has made to date, outside of the V-Span for Scola.

 

I think we used Yaos DPE for Ariza.

 

If Stern hadn't illegaly blocked a trade, that would not be the case.

 

Give Metta WP the fking credit where credit is due.

 

Um, first off, Patrick Patterson was a rookie. Every team has something called a ROTATION in which players (typically rookies) have to work their way up to prove themselves. Common basketball logic would tell you good coaches dont normally throw rookies out there 40 minutes a game the first half of the season. Patterson's a solid role player but will never be a superstar like you're envisioning him to be rosolian. Come back to earth please

As far as Brooks, he was the best player on the team before the unfortunate injury with Ginobli. I didnt mind Adelman showing confidence in him. He showed the same confidence in Budinger (after his TERRIBLE slump) and Bud ended up turning it around. Was that bad coaching too?

 

I'll never understand THIS. I was never a big fan of Adelman's, but for McHale? In hopes that Finch is your savior? Come on, man.

I actually wanted Mike Brown. I would have been fine with Frank too.

 

What a weak strawman argument. When did I say PP has to get 40 mins a game? He didn't even get 1 minute of PT until well into the season! On a team that's sorely needing defensive big men, our lottery pick didn't get 1 minute of PT until almost half the season was over. Go back the past 10 years, you won't find anyone who waited that long before they played their lottery pick. That's just Adelman's lazy ass coaching style, and I'm glad he's not coaching this team anymore.

Well I do mind, that Adelman love fest cost us a playoff spot. We were 5 games under 0.500 before DM intervened and traded Brooks away.

Except we just had a blockbuster deal nixed this season. Unless you have insider info, there's no way you can prove whether or not the Rox have been getting calls for trades.

 

Morey got us a legit shotblocking and interior rebounding 7 foot center for 7 million a year with a team option for the 2nd.

Compare that with the 9 million that Landry got and 7 million that Kwame Brown got, that is a bargain.

And he's not that far down from Tyson Chandler whose getting 13 million a season.

Thank you Morey!

 

Still average role players. What would excite me is if the team actually plays above this roster and takes themselves to conference finals. Other than that its similar players with similar upside. They could all turn out good though. I mean Patterson and Morris have some potential. Its just a solid team. Not great but solid.

 

CB4GM make it happen les. At least it would be entertaining.