List your most trade-able players, with the most trade-able on top: 1. Johnny Flynn 2. Terrence Williams 3. Goran Dragic 4. Hasheem Thabeet 5. Kevin Martin 6. Luis Scola 7. Jordan Hill 8. Chase Budinger 9. Courtney Lee 10. Marcus Morris 11. Rights to Motiejunas 12. Patrick Patterson 13. Kyle Lowry Rationale: Flynn and Williams are a dime a dozen. Dragic is a great backup but we can make do with less. Thabeet has upside but still needs a lot of work, still a big risk. Martin is the first big-name player to be mentioned in the list. He's one-dimensional and in his prime, the kind of player some specifically built championship teams want. He's better flipped for talent we can move forward with. Scola's got tremendous value as both a trading piece and a player - he can be kept or traded. Hill has upside. The only reason I ranked him this far down is because his trading value, right now, is low. Budinger, like Hill, actually, even more so, can probably be only traded for an equal talent and probably less upside, so keep him. Lee is a solid, solid player at a great price. Morris is too much of an unknown and, like Hill, has too low trading value. Motiejunas is a high value prospect - young and tall making me want to keep him than trade him. Patterson is solid, like Lee and should have a long, long career. Lowry's solid, we all know that, and he's at a great contract, and is entering his prime. He's got an all-around game that should still be there when we finally have enough pieces to make a contender.
I forgot to put Parsons. He's 3, for the same reason as Flynn and Williams, and just move all the other guys down a number.
Budinger is the most trad-able player he makes less than a million a year with 2 years remaining BUT plays at a much higher level. If I was a GM that the one I would want first.
OK, maybe most trade-able wasn't the right word. This isn't just trade value but also who we'd be willing to let go. To flesh out my rationale some more: Easiest to let go, low value, low upside/high upside but needs a lot of work, easily replaceable - 1-5 Flynn, Williams, Parsons, Dragic, Thabeet High trade value, probably over the hill when we make a clear-cut championship team - 6-7 Martin, Scola Nice upside, serviceable, probably will not yield the same level of talent - 8-9 Hill, Budinger Solid player, with nice trade value - 10 Lee Prospects who might make us look silly for trading them - 11-12 Morris, Motiejunas Players you just want to keep - 13-14 Patterson, Lowry
The problem with that is what the Rockets get back in return vis-a-vis the salaries involved. We either get an unproven player that might have talent and upside or we get a "proven" player of lesser quality. Nope, Bud is a keeper because of price vs production/upside.
No need to trade yet, get a solid C and see where the team is at come the trading dealine. I would like to see Dalembert be that C.
Disagree. Williams has the talent of a star. He just needs to put it all together on the court. But that kind of talent is a rare commodity in this league.
You still are ignoring trade rules regarding salary. He must be packaged with another player or two, which logic would indicate a trading partner would not do just to get Budinger. If traded by himself, the most salary we could take back is 125% (or whatever percentage is the new CBA) of his $884K salary. It is rare to find a player with his talent level at +/- $1M. Hence, that makes trading him by himself nonsensical.
1. Johnny Flynn 2. Hasheem Thabeet 3. Goran Dragic 4. Chandler Parsons 5. Terrence Williams 6. Kevin Martin 7. Luis Scola 8. Chase Budinger 9. Jordan Hill 10. Marcus Morris 11. Courtney Lee 12. Rights to Motiejunas 13. Patrick Patterson 14. Kyle Lowry
Ok. So why can't we trade him in a package deal again? To me, Budinger is probably at the top of the list. The reason is because he does have value, but is fundamentally flawed as a player. Someone who is not dependable if your goal is to build a winning team. Similar situation with Brooks last year. No player is perfect, and everyone has their flaws. Whether its shooting, defending, rebounding etc. The biggest flaw for Budinger is neither of those(although you can argue defending). Budinger's problem is that he is mentally weak, timid. It is the reason why he dropped so far in the draft. When someone literally steps on your face, most of us would be out for blood, instead of politely disparaging him. When the opposing team isos some Dleaguer no one has heard of on you, and he is scoring at will, most of us would drop him on his ass, instead of condoning the molestation. This is a fundamental flaw to me, not just some imperfection. His main strength right now is that he fits with the team game and is familiar with the other starters. And he deserves to start based on that. But as others begin to catch on, I would bet that Bud is the first one out. Mchale preaches toughness and defense. The antithesis of Budinger. The good news is that we know we'll have a buyer in Minnesota.
Player that i feel aren't a fit or gonna be a big impact on this this team would be Flynn, Thabeet, Morris... which nobody's gonna want them alone for a decent center, Thats why i would throw in Kmart, lets try to a 2G thats not that far away from his offensive skills but has defense and a decent Center. : Say Kmart, Morris, Thabeet, Knick 2012 first for Eric Gordon and Okafor?
Fair enough. However, I would trade Flynn and/or Kevin Martin before Bud. We have two quality PGs in Lowry and Dragic, and Jeremy Lin IMO is the better of the toss-up between Flynn and Lin. Martin's defense makes Bud look like the second coming of Artest, and we have a proven SG (Lee) and a project (T-Williams). Morris may or may not turn out to be the better choice at SF, but Bud has the greater skill level in shooting in the mid-range / long-range game and superior athleticism. Morris has a better close to the basket game and a bigger body for rebounding. Neither has great lateral speed, but I would give the edge to Bud there. Because M-Mo has to play close to the basket to be effective, he clogs the paint limiting the space Scola, 2Pat, Hill and Thabeet have to operate. Bud's range forces defenders to come out, thereby spacing the floor better.
Like Morey said, he needs to start driving and stop the shooting/pullups. he also mentioned that he is a great passer
I would love that but I dont think its enough for the long discussion but its enough for them to start listening
