huh? What does his country of birth have to do with how many points he avgs in the nba? The poster who I responded to said he would bring a ton of scoring to the frontcourt. Nene isn't a great scorer. if you were fishing though which you likely were, congrats! You baited me!
Morey is not into throwing money around to sign people who are not worth it. So I can see why agents don't like him in general because he's is trying to be a good shopper and get good value. I'm sure there's lots of teams out there that have been mismanaged with exorbitant payroll. You have to give up good basketball talent or high draft pick to buy cap space -- so you can go chase after more expensive talent and remain mediocre. He's said it before, there are not that many roster spots available, and so you try to keep it filled with value and good players that will get better. The rockets were trying to win NOW, so they were going after Artest to assemble their big three. Now they're trying to find a new set of big 3. You have to find talent and cultivate it. We need Morey more than ever.
guess you didn't read the 2nd paragraph. Gasol and nene make us a top 4 seed...that's just insane that you can honestly believe that. Eh, I'll stick with my read that ur fishing. Good day sir.
Would definitely like to see these sources. I'm glad he doesnt overpay guys or sign free agents just for the sake of signing someone. This is the first real offseason that he has been free of two bench riding max contracts. He's done a great job up until now with all things considered and had at least Tmac or Yao been available the year we took the eventual champion Lakers to 7 games (we were the only team to take them to 7 btw) who know what could have happened. I will gladly take Morey who would rather sit tight and be patient over other GMs that throw money at guys like Maurice Taylor or come out on the losing end of trades. Anyone who believes we resigned Scola at that price or traded for Kevin Martin for anything other than assets is failing to see the bigger picture here.
Obviously foreign players have a period of a couple years where they are transitioning to a different style of game. Using career stats includes these early years which skew their stats. As far as top-4 seed, that came from Hollinger: "That frontcourt, combined with great depth and several underrated perimeter players, would likely have propelled the Rockets to a top-four seed in the West, if not better. (Scoff if you will, but Houston had the scoring margin of a 48-win team last season. It didn't need to improve that dramatically to join the elite.)" http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7334000/nba-lakers-better-not-making-chris-paul-trade But I'm sure you'll just go back to your "moneyball doesnt work for the NBA" and "all these teams bidding for Nene are just idiots" ideas. Keep trollin'.
I mean, seriously, no point in arguing with this guy. It's like talking to a brick wall with these types of people.
?? So you knew this all along? Can you show me the posts where you tried to teach us this when the signing or trade happened?? Because I'm reasonably confident that 100% of the board saw the martin trade as a move to get a scorer and player that morey long coveted to fill a gaping hole in our lineup, and to help the houston rockets directly as a member of the team. since you can see the big picture better than most, can you teach me if gasol would have been a fixture on the rockets, or merely another asset to be flipped for "better players"?
oh, so it came from hollinger. At least you are admitting you never would have thought with your own mind that a team made up of pau as their best player and nene as their #2 would be a top 4 seed in the west. So I give you credit for that. If hollinger said the trade would do nothing and possibly even worsen the rockets, would you still be showing me his article? Try to formulate your own opinion. I was arguing with you, not hollinger. Linking his opinion as a means to strengthen yours is silly. and how many years do you want to knock off the front end of nenes career? Here's a hint: you will always get 12-14 ppg.
___________________________ Part of the fun in following the Rockets more than other team is to see Morey's moves materialize and perpetuate his reputation as a wizard. He got Lowery for Rafer Alston (and also took Cook's contract). Memphis got a 1st rd pick from Orlando, which Kyle was -- a 24th pick who got injured. Last year he got Flynn for Miller and a swap of 1st round position. He got T-will for lottery protected 1st round. Thabeet, a #2 pick could still be a useful piece for Battier's contribution to Memphis' run. He's getting pieces that people don't want but at one point people were high on them. They're not bad pieces, they're just not the flavor of the day. Good coaching is putting players in a position where they can succeed. Let's hope McHale can do that. This will be an unusual year with 66 games and lots of back-to-back games. This means that the usual 8-man rotation will be insufficient. The NBA is playing 10% more games (66 games) in a period where they usually play 60 games. So this would represent a 9 or 10-men rotation. Teams like Miami will be at a severe disadvantage, unless their big 3 can play night after night for 30 minutes. (Wonder how this will impact fantasy basketball). Just like A-B was traded away to make way for Kyle (2-way player), Dragic looks to be a piece that can be traded away for Flynn (doubtful defender). A year ago no one asked for Kyle, this year all the trade rumors had Kyle, obviously the player with most value. I don't think Morey has failed, I think he's just getting started.
agreed. I can't fall asleep though, so I thought I'd give it a shot anyway. He called me a "troll" though, so he may have just gained a leg up on the argument.
If it wasn't clear enough, I agree with Hollinger. So that whole first paragraph you wrote was pointless. Back to the point, you are just underrating Pau and Nene. And your basis for this error is Pau is 32 (he isn't) or Pau is decling (he isn't) or that Nene's career stats are relevant (they aren't). Last 3 years, Nene's scoring average is 14.3, so you're wrong that it's betwen 12 and 14. And last year his points/40 increased to 19.0. He only averaged 30 mpg last year, so looking at ppg is stupid. To dig further, Nene was the 5th best scoring center in the NBA while being the 4th most efficient scorer at any position. And he wasn't going to be our #1. And he didn't even have to be our #2 (that may have been Lowry) but I think he could have. The point is he is an incredibly efficient player who can play pretty good defense, has legit size, and has his best years ahead of him. But all these teams offering big money are just stupid, right?
agree with most of that. He has given up a nickel, and gotten back a dime in most trades. Unfortunately, winning minor trades doesn't mean you get the larry obrien trophy at the end of the year. If the gasol trade went through, the result of all his years of tinkering and stockpiling assets would have been kyle lowry and pau gasol, with no sniffing of a ring along the way. Color me unimpressed.
Well the starting lineup would have been: Nene Gasol, Patterson Budinger, Morris Lee, TWill Lowry, Flynn You may not be impressed, but it would have been fun to watch. And it'd be a better team that we have now.
lol you were arguing using ppg too. Then when you realized you had no argument, it suddenly became a stupid stat. So, you are knocking the first 6 years of his career off the books to get to 14.3 ppg. Well done sir, if calling me stupid and a troll didn't win you the argument, that certainly did. Or your constant hammering home of the point that I said pau was 32....when he's actually 31!!
You accused me off "fishing" after my first 2 posts which had no insults towards you. And I like how you keep ignoring the main points that Pau and Nene are darn good players, much better than the guys we'd be giving up.
listen, I was and am all for the trade, only because our current team is going nowhere and needs to be shaken up in any way whatsoever. but if you look at that lineup, and see a top 4 (at minimum, as hollinger says) seed in west, you have to be insane.
If he is involved in the 4 team nets deal and gets us brook lopez for like scola and martin.... tsssssssssss
