Official Tracy McGrady in Atlanta Hawks Uniform Thread

You are asking the wrong questions.

Did Lebron fulfill his contract as a Cleveland Cavalier? yes.
Did Tmac fulfill his contract as a Magic or Rocket? no, he was traded .

We obviously know that both did not win a title.

But which one actually went to the NBA Finals? LeBron.
with 2 different teams? LeBron.
Who won the MVP? LeBron.

Who after both career is over is clearly the better player. LeBron.

 

Hey the Rockets lost in the 1st round of the playoffs with home court advantage..


BUT Grant Hill said Tmac was the most talented! so that makes losing every damn year in the first round or not even making the playoffs ok.

 

That what usually happens the story of the team that McGrady leads in the first round of the playoffs.

 

They're better than us...

 

Why are there no videos of him passing on other contract offers?

 

Atlanta was his first choice.

 

Well, tinman, this was always the catch-22 with Tracy McGrady as a part-time Houston Rocket, wouldn't you agree?

McGrady didn't know who he could trust on the court. He couldn't trust anybody to make plays. He couldn't trust anybody to shoot. How he trusted anybody to inbound the ball or set a decent pick is beyond me...

A quick point about Hakeem Olajuwon - after the 1991-1992 season, Hakeem mended some fences with Rudy Tomjonovich and management. The front office thought that Hakeem was faking his knee injury and wanted him gone. Hakeem wanted out of the city because he felt disrespected. Hakeem matured as a person a great deal during that summer, and it showed with the team's performances for the next few years.

I don't believe in trusting players that don't EARN that trust, tinman. As much as Olajuwon embraced his teammates...as much as he encouraged them and challenged them...none of that would have mattered had Sam Cassell or anybody else not answered the bell when the fights started.

Sooner or later, you have to give ALL the guys who play credit when the team wins. Or you wind up blaming just a few of them when they lose.

Classic divide and conquer, to me, tinman.

Jerry Sloan, who never met a fight he wouldn't start (and neither did his players), went out of his way to make sure that (especially in 2008) his team faced the Rockets. Sloan had a healthy respect...perhaps even a borderline fear...of McGrady (he hinted at as much in practically every interview)...but he had no fear of the rest of the Rockets. And neither did his team.

To think that Sloan "intentionally" lost home court advantage that season in order to face the Rockets says a couple of things to me:
1) Sloan and the Jazz figured that they could pretty much have their way with the Rockets, Tracy McGrady or no Tracy McGrady
2) They all felt that it was too easy to confront McGrady and outlast him (partly because, again, McGrady tended to be too nice a player). It was going to be, eventually, 1-on-5 in their favor. No way you don't roll with odds like that.

You ever hear of anybody living to tell about picking a fight with Michael Jordan on the court?

McGrady, it seems to me, couldn't get his teammates behind him because he gave no one the impression that it was a life-or-death scenario meaning his life, their death). McGrady tended to lament that after the fact, but he honestly never seemed to take winning or losing as personally as you would be accustomed to seeing from somebody with his ability.

But I get the feeling he did. He cared. He cared enough, too I believe.
He just couldn't get anybody else to care either.

I don't know if it was because his teammates didn't trust him to do everything he could to win, or if they didn't like him, or if they just weren't up to the task.

But unfortunately, all any of those ideas does is perpetuate the myth of making excuses for McGrady's career. If the truth is relegated to excuse-making....

...well, tinman....

...maybe we're all better off lying to one another, hm?

 

lol tinmac just keeps getting owned over and over again.

 

Do you think he regrets the surgery?
or
Does he think he legitimately did the right thing?

I cannot help but wonder if an alternative procedure or something
would have worked better for him.

Rocket River

 

That's tough to know, from what I understand, Rocket River.

McGrady was faking that knee thing anyway, I heard...or, if he wasn't, it certainly wasn't as bad as he was making it out to be...

 

once again the TOF perspective of things is backwards.

Do you know what really ticks you guys off about my posts?

They are based on fact.

Whenever I mention that your favorite player never accomplished something, that was based on fact.

What do you and your brother RTM pull out?
1. Hypothetical situations
2. Opinions

Grant Hill saying that Tracy was the most talented player means what?
Nothing.

Does that give Tracy 6 championships, MVPs, DPOYs, Hall of Fame speeches, jersey retirements ?


I like how you guys are all ticked off about LeBron too. You know what ticks you off?

You perceive that Tracy is the PERFECT PLAYER, therefore he DOESN'T NEED improvement.

LeBron just lost the NBA Finals, he knows he really needs to improve to be a champion and he goes to Hakeem Olajuwon to help him on his post up game.

That's what players who want to win championships do.

 

Once again pretty good post.

Out of the ocean of dumb TOFs, I find you on this thread, a knowledgeable Rockets fan.

Obviously Dream was a much different person back then. And we all knew what this was all about. It was solved on an airplane trip from Japan.

MONEY. Magically everybody was happy after that.

But the thing about McGrady is that it's not about money. He was the highest paid player when Morey traded him.

Simple return on investment. $25 million/year and not even getting past the first round, plus tons of games missed for injuries = not worth it.

 

If= implies hypothetical.

That's nice that he said such things about Tracy McGrady.

But does that change anything? does it change his legacy? is there a banner hanging up at Toyota Center? Amway Arena? Air Canada Center? the Palace at Auburn Hills? Madison Square Garden?

No.

But does it make you, as a devoted Tracy McGrady feel warm inside. yes.

 

Have you even been to Toyota Center? I have. I've been to the Summit and Compaq Center. Have you ever heard of those? I've even hung out with the Rowdies? do you know who they are?

No I'm not going anywhere, I'm not going to Tracy McGrady you. I'm staying.

 

Any new vids??

 

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so tinmac is saying t-mac never accomplished anything. well neither has any other rocket after 1995.

hmm...