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Unpopular opinion: David Stern is right...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by trugoy, Dec 12, 2011.

  1. dobro1229

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    NBPA Union believes Stern is making decisions on NO based on the ability and price to sell the franchise first and foremost.

    Taking on Salary was the main reason for Stern balking at the Rockets/LA offer.

    This is why the NBPA Union will be sueing the NBA for collusion. Stern's backdoor ownership/NBA deals are beyond illegal. The only thing is its nearly impossible to catch the NBA in the act enough to pursue litigation, even though its widely understood that its very common among the NBA and the newer owners.

    Also, Stern knows that he has up until the trade deadline to seriously trade Paul so the only way he approves a CP3 deal is if the haul is insanely ridiculous(which it has been anyways) and if there is a threat of getting sued by the Union(which now seems likely).

    If I were Dell Demps I would gather my staff together and strike until the NBA took the cuffs off and allowed them to trade. Until then, expect CP3 trade rumors to go on until the middle of March.
     
  2. ascaptjack

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    You may get your wish. Adrian Woj and Chris Broussard are reporting the deal is dead.

    sportsguy33 Bill Simmons
    Just got word the Clips/CP3 trade is definitely off. Can only be revived if NBA bends on its super-steep asking price. This is I-N-S-A-N-E.

    LarryCoon Larry Coon
    With Clips deal apparently falling apart, Stern's next demand for CP3 will be Utah. Not the team.....the state.
     
  3. trugoy

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    I think Morey should've done his due diligence. I mean it's easy to blame stern, but Morey should've known that Dell Demps was out of his league and that this deal was a terrible deal for NO.

    He should've checked with the league office before going public with it.
     
  4. SPF35

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    I agree, theClippers offer is considerably better to rebuild on than the Lakers. I don't think the argument is that, it is the conflict of interest in that David STern is the league commissioner and has an incentive for the Hornets. This situation should never have happened. That said, I think Stern is getting more flack and less credit to how brilliant he has been as a commissioner. Things have not gone perfect, but he has taken the leagues to incredibly heights with his marketing and growth vision
     
  5. Aruba77

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    Gordon is a good player who is about to become a free agent soon. What do you think he's gonna do ...stay in New Orleans? They'll rent him for a year and he'll walk.

    Aminu has bust written all over him. He had a bad rookie year shooting 39% from the field, averaging 3 rebounds, 5 points, and 1.3 turnovers in 18 minutes.

    Kaman is cap relief, plain and simple

    The lotto pick doesn't figure to be very good.

    So ...this trade offer is not even close to as good as what the Rockets could offer. What a freaking joke.
     
  6. ascaptjack

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    You serious?

    Multiple sources confirmed that all 3 parties in the trade consulted with Vice President of Basketball Operations Stu Jackson and Deputy Commissioner Adam Silver for months about this trade.

    They kept them up to speed regularly but it was until the last minute that they pulled the plug on the deal?

    Doesn't make sense.

    League knew about this trade going down for months.

    Stern just wasted everyones time. Hard hours worked for nothing.

    If he would have just declined from the very beginning the three parties would have had more than enough time for setting up a Plan B instead of scrambling to get a deal done before Christmas.
     
  7. Dubious

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    Was Demps power and mandate not spelled out? to him? Were the negotiations not known by Stern until the deal was agreed to?

    In this goofy arrangement, for the appearance of collusion to be avoided, a blind trust should have been set up by the league to run the Hornets. Any "plan" might have been favored beforehand, 'win as many as you can" , lower you salary and commitments as much as you can" or get as young and as many draft picks as you can" but adjustment by the commissioner 'after the fact' effecting other teams, just should not ever have been allowable
     
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  8. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Well it's nice to know Stern did another team wrong too.

    I bet Demps is on suicide watch.
     
  9. ascaptjack

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    BA_Turner Brad Turner
    Chris Paul deal is getting dicey. NBA asking for more, sources say, and Clippers are against it. Don't blame them.

    ramonashelburne ramonashelburne
    Clippers aren't bidding against another team. They're bidding vs. Stern's ego. Only way to win this is by threatening to walk away

    LarryCoon Larry Coon
    Why, given all that's happened over the last few days, do I have a sneaking suspicion that CP3 will be traded to Cleveland for Baron Davis?
     
  10. Ashes

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    The point of the lockout was to make more money.
     
  11. Aruba77

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    they need Bledsoe because Gordon is going to walk in free agency ...which begs the question, why is New Orleans trading Paul for a guy who won't be on the team 2 years from now?
     
  12. ascaptjack

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    WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
    The Hornets-Clippers deal for Chris Paul has died, league source tells Y! Sports.
     
  13. ascaptjack

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    sam_amick Sam Amick
    All I can offer at this point in CP3-to-Clippers talks comes from source close to situation: "This is a circus."

    Go Stern!

    :rolleyes:
     
  14. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Because Paul won't be on their team in 6 months.

    NOLA would have Gordon's bird rights and would be able to resign him easily.

    and your theory about the Minny pick not being good? They won't win 30 games this year.
     
  15. Kojirou

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    Out of 66 or 82 games? I honestly think the Wolves could win 30 games if this was an 82 game season.
     
  16. leebigez

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    Kaman played well when he came back from injury last year. Butler when healty is a better player than martin, gordon is a better player than martin, plus he's younger. He's not d-wade, but he competes on defense and is a scorer despite being 6'4. He's like mitch richmond to me. If I were the hornets, I would take gordon,aminu,and kaman.
     
  17. ascaptjack

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    Deal is dead anyways.

    No point in arguing and having your head stuck up Cuban and Stern's ass.
     
  18. The Cat

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    I don't fully agree with you, but you definitely provide a well-reasoned argument. But even if we accept your logic, the NBA/Stern is still a joke and completely in the wrong. Here's the problem:

    STOP TELLING DELL DEMPS HE HAS AUTONOMY OR ANY AUTHORITY OF ANY KIND.

    That's the issue. It's not just about New Orleans and Chris Paul. The original 3-way was in the works for weeks, and the league knew about it every step of the way. Demps believed he had a deal, as did the other two teams involved. At the last second, Stern steps in and says no.

    Now, he's doing the same exact thing with the Hornets-Clippers trade, even though it's centered more around young players/picks. Three days after he AGAIN told Demps that he had completely autonomy. Now, you have numerous players all over the league who are affected.

    If the NBA wants to use your logic and hardline, that's fine. But they need to either specifically instruct Demps (a.k.a., give him examples of acceptable trades), or remove him and put a GM in place that can execute their plan. This circus (which is hurting multiple franchises) could completely be prevented if the NBA would simply offer a clear directive.

    He is not right, and Stern's NBA has become a fraud because of it.
     
  19. ascaptjack

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    KBergCBS Ken Berger
    According to person on periphery of Chris Paul talks, trade to the Clippers died this morning. Time of death unknown. #RIP
     
  20. leebigez

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    If u were trading one of the top 6 players in the like paul, what would be your compensation right now?
     

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