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It's not Morey's fault that he cannot obtain high-end lottery picks.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by flamingdts, Dec 11, 2011.

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  1. flamingdts

    flamingdts Member

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    It seems like there is a horrible misconception regarding Morey lately about how he is unable to acquire top draft picks.

    1. Tanking is out of the option. Les himself is not allowing that, this should not be used against Morey.

    2. Morey cannot convert Scola and Martin to a top draft pick because teams that own high draft picks are lottery teams. Thus, they have no use for veterans like Scola and Martin. Only contending teams are interested in these guys, and contending teams don't own lottery picks.

    The problem is Scola and Martin are worth MORE than a late first round pick, but it's almost impossible to acquire equal value in return for them. That's precisely why he tried trading them for an All-Star big man, because our only chance of acquiring a star is through a trade.

    When you can't tank, and your team doesn't suck enough to get a high lottery pick. Your methods of acquiring a star is severely limited.
     
    #1 flamingdts, Dec 11, 2011
  2. Disciple of RP

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    Excellent reporting.
     
    #2 Disciple of RP, Dec 11, 2011
  3. dachuda86

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    OMGZ!!!
     
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  4. Francis3422

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    Oh makes sense now.....
     
    #4 Francis3422, Dec 11, 2011
  5. lalala902102001

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    You are correct. I think it is Les who is preventing us from tanking which would have been the best option going forward at this point.
     
    #5 lalala902102001, Dec 11, 2011
  6. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Stop, you're making too much sense.
     
    #6 REEKO_HTOWN, Dec 11, 2011
  7. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Of course it is not anyone's fault but it does depend upon where you focus your attention or energy.

    Getting a top 5 pick is not easy, but we have too many players on the team at redundant positions, might as well package them to teams for unprotected 1st round picks...and hope that the team they are traded to sucks balls.

    DD

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    #7 DaDakota, Dec 11, 2011
  8. Spacemoth

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    Maybe that's also why we got rid of Adelman. He was never, ever going to put any long term goal over winning each and every game he had on his schedule. McHale while not as good a coach will still have the foresigh to understand why it might be better for us to play some of our crappier players more.
     
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  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Exactly, and if McHale tries to go to a post driven offense, he will fail miserably as coach and be run out of town.

    But, we will get higher draft picks....

    DD
     
    #9 DaDakota, Dec 11, 2011
  10. Garner

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    If we trade multiple players to a team for an unprotected lottery pick and they in turn suck balls; doesn't that mean our packages of players sucks those same balls?

    So who is making that trade?
     
    #10 Garner, Dec 11, 2011
  11. MrButtocks

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    Most tanking advocates couldn't pick a decent prospect if their life depended on it. They automatically think a top five pick equals a franchise player. Our last high pick was with the #8 in 2006 and there were a bunch of pre-draft advocates for JJ Reddick and Shelden Williams. I bet most tankers don't even watch college bball.
     
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  12. MrButtocks

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    Lamar Odom just got traded to the Mavs for a pick that's top-20 protected. They're the world champs and he's the sixth man of the year. He's paid less than Martin or Scola and his contract has a TEAM option. And they put top 20 protection on the pick.

    No one's giving us unprotected picks for our players. You're living in fantasy land. You might as well be saying "Trade our guys for Lebron James!"
     
    #12 MrButtocks, Dec 11, 2011
  13. rock4ever

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    That's what GM's get paid to do. Stop making excuses
     
    #13 rock4ever, Dec 11, 2011
  14. Prince

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    what's GM's job exactly?
     
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  15. flamingdts

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    This is precisely the post that so many people are making but so many people fail to see is implausible.

    The chance of a high lottery pick is low, ridiculously low. Historically, only the top 5 players in a draft end up being superstar.

    The WORSE team in the league only has a 25% chance of getting 1st pick.

    What happens if we trade away our best pieces and we end up with only the 10th pick? Morey is out of the door immediately. Not only that, our franchise would be set back even more (we are most likely required to absorb a bad contract if we do trade for a draft pick).

    Morey's hands are tied, he is instructed to WIN whiles rebuilding. Gasol and Nene was a perfect plan, because we practically keep ALL of our young prospects whiles getting better.
     
    #15 flamingdts, Dec 11, 2011
  16. ascaptjack

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    Exactly!!!!!!!!!

    That is why I am pissed this deal got rejected! We had a plan in place! Finally a direction, but all that got pulled out from under us!

    We are stuck now!

    No team is gonna give up a unprotected 1st rounder for Luis Scola or Kevin ****ing Martin!

    DD is clueless!
     
    #16 ascaptjack, Dec 11, 2011
  17. danoman

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    Les needs to come around and let us tank!
     
    #17 danoman, Dec 11, 2011
  18. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    You guys are funny, if someone has a different view they are clueless.....ok...sounds good.

    DD
     
    #18 DaDakota, Dec 11, 2011
  19. ascaptjack

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    Its not a view, its a fact. no team will offer an unprotected pick for scola or martin.

    Hell Lakers gave up a 6th man of the year and only got a tpe for him.
     
    #19 ascaptjack, Dec 11, 2011
  20. flamingdts

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    Isn't that what you do though?
     
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