the discussion with you has to stop being about me, ATW. if you want to talk about the trade, that's great. let's do it. if you want to talk about me, we're done. i disagree with you, and you call that trolling. i'm making posts based on what i think. you can criticize my thoughts all you want...but this is discussion in a thread about a trade where damn near 70% of those who have voted said they didn't like it. if you'd like to discuss that trade, i'd love to talk about it with you. but i'm not interested in the personal asides and jabs. i don't need that.
We don't know if DM's statistics say he's overpaid or not. If you look at the wages of wins site Nene's value is around 16M. I was a believer of wow's metrics then would I consider Nene overpaid then?
All the assets? Say what? The biggest asset for the Rockets, above all else, is cap flexibility. Beyond that, it's the 25 and under crowd - Kyle Lowry, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris, possibly Chase Budinger, etc. Luis Scola and Kevin Martin - these are pretty good veterans. Nothing wrong with them. But they are NOT all the assets that we've been acquiring, and I think you know that. Morey is TRYING to build a team as we speak. Gasol is the ideal complementary No. 2 for a perimeter star. You just don't like it because Robin is coming before Batman. That's fine, and maybe it won't work out. But in this era of the NBA, it's hard to acquire either Batman or Robin. And as you said, Les wants him to do it without tanking. That's quite a challenge, and it doesn't lend itself to picking and choosing on the ideal timeline. You have to take chances.
Multiple sources reported that the Chris Paul trade is not dead and still being worked on, as the NBA attempts to save face following Thursday's trade veto by David Stern. Stern is going to try to get the Rockets to give the Hornets both Courtney Lee and Patrick Patterson in an attempt to sell that Lamar Odom's age made the original deal bad. It's absurd, but that's how they'll try to package it. How this ends is anybody's guess, but we're leaning toward Paul becoming a Laker through an altered trade of some type. Sadly, if the Lakers add anything else to this deal we'd veto it from their perspective and they will too. The only thing that is certain is that we're all dumber for having gone through this episode.
I don't think it ever stops until we get that superstar player. For now, we can make a far more competitive team, that might raise the attraction level for future trades/free agents. If Daryl likes a certain player in the draft as a superstar, he can throw some special players out there in proposals. SOME CENTERS. That is huge...
I'm still a little skeptical of the trade but if the Rockets can manage to keep Martin and unload some of their younger "assets", I may warm up to the trade, especially if they can land a Nene. Lowry/ Flynn Martin/ Taylor Morris(?)/ Budinger Gasol/ Patterson Nene/ Hill I'm assuming Lee is the "younger asset" the rumors are describing
how do you know who the right robin is before you get batman? if hakeem is batman, you don't need a center to be robin...you need someone else on the roster, typically a perimeter player, to be that. we have no idea what we're building here. it seems, at best, to be more asset collection...not team building. we throw enough spaghetti against the wall and we hope it sticks.
WTF?!? There' no way DM should do this deal if we add Lee and Patterson and don't get anything else. Nene and Pau can go to hell.
Because it's a whole lot easier to find a perimeter star in this era than a legitimate low-post big man. It's not impossible, but it's the strong probability.
and that's a good point. i just feel like if we're going to find that player, we're most likely going to find him in the draft. so i'd like to get on with getting on.
I might join Max If we don't get proper compensation for Pat and Lee... The trade as of now is fair. Patterson and Lee going because of David Stern is complete bull****. Please tell me we are keeping Martin in that scenario, and dumping our crap on LA...
Patterson and Lee won't go anywhere unless the Rockets approve it. We'll have no one but ourselves to blame if that happens; not David Stern. But at this point, I've seen no sources to back any of that up.
That's true, but it would be painful to have to sit back for a few more years for another deal... If we do have to include those guys, I wonder what we get back?
I understand that perspective. But a complete rebuild isn't fun - look at the Astros right now. This move, to me, represents hope. I think Morey had ****ty luck in both 2009 and 2010 with the career-ending Yao injury and then the "Big 3" dynamic to 2010 free agency, which was largely unprecedented. I'd like to give him one more chance to retool on the fly before tearing it down and going for top five draft picks. Maybe I'm delaying the inevitable, but I can be stubborn sometimes.
