If the pacers want to try and contend then i am all for it... but i thought they were trying to rebuild. If we can pry away Paul George for martin i would do it. They would have to bank on getting a legit 4 in FA though since i dont think they have the contracts nessecary to get both Scola and Martin. But George for Martin would be fantastic we might even get them to throw in a highly protected pick. Minny would be another great spot for Martin but i dont see the piece on their team to get the deal done. Their most attractive assets ( outside of johnson and williams who we prolly wont get ) are PF's and we really dont need any more of those. I really think that Hill and T-will are ready to take a huge step up this year and posibly even thabeet but his is really going to depend on the good coaching of our big men trainers and ample play time. same with the other 2 but it goes double for thabeet. The only 09 draftee i am not high on is flynn simply because with Dragic and Lowry we are really really good at PG.
This is a really wacky trade that might work ... and i gets us a decent return for scola and martin..... maye So here it goes and it is totally crazy Rockets Outgoing - Scola and Martin and Bud Incoming- P. George, Beasley, Malcolm Lee, Asik, James Posey + CHA pick and Minny Pick Minny Outgoing - Beasley, Malcolm Lee, 1st round future pick Incoming - Kyle Korver, and Ronnie Brewer Indy Outgoing - Paul George, James Posey, and i want a pick Incoming - Luis Scola, Chase Bud Chicago Outgoing- Asik, Brewer, Korver, CHA pick Incoming - Kevin Martin Why everyone does it .... Minny gets 2 solid options at the two and only has to give up Beasley ( who i bet after 2 weeks wont see the floor with adelman ) and Lee and a protected pick in the future which slowly looses protection. Chicago Gives up alot ... but they get Martin which makes them the most complete team in the east and thats the price they need to pay. They give up only backups and the real asset is the CHA pick. Indy gets scola and Bud.... and Hibbert, Scola and Granger are a really good trio. Along with Rush, Collison and Hill as well as Hansburough... they are good enough to make the playoffs and make a little noise in the east. They also give up george who I admit i like alot ... but he is worth it for scola who makes Indy playoff bound. I would also ask for a first rounder from indy. We give them Bud.... who while he is no George ... is a very servicable backup to granger and That plus Scola being worth > george adds up to a first ( it can be protected slowly losing protection. Houston does it to rebuild. they lose Martin , Scola and Bud. But gain a possible star in Paul as well as 2 projects 1 in asik and the other in lee who has some potential. They also get 3 firsts . One from CHA , one from INDY, and the last from MIN. To balance out contracts they get Posey and Beasley. I feel that after 1 month of Adelman beasley will be worth nothing in minny so... thats kind of what this trade is banking on . Beasley and Posey are both 1 year contracts. Basically if i said that if we could trade martin straight up for Asik + the CHA pick and told you that for Scola we could get Paul George and maybe even a 1st rounder from indy and all we had to do was throw in bud and take on some 1 year contracts ... most people would be happy. This trade gets us more ( a pick from Minny ) I feel that if Beasley has too much value ... i would still do that trade and instead sub in Webster... he has a similar contract ( the only one that fits i think ) and that way the pick would have to be included. I feel like no team gives too much in this trade but it still is crazy just because its 4 teams and there are so many players moving. our roster would look like Asik/Thabeet/Hayes 2pat/Hill/ ( beasley if we kept him or got him ) George/Morris/ Posey( Webster/ if the trade is for him ... i would try to amnesty him) C.Lee/Williams/M.Lee Lowry/Flynn/Dragic Btw if you still think any of the other teams are getting screwed give them Flynn or Dragic .. whoever you like less. Again this trade is crazy but in theory i guess it works out.
There actually comes a time where these lotto teams need to stop adding lotto picks and start their quest for a title. Like the clipp and minni. Soon the clips and minni/sac will have to shell a couple of max deals to keep their guys so they cant keep adding guys they wont be able to keep. I like this deal because the draft picks we will be getting. however i dont think minni has a first rounder this year(clippers own the rights), and i think the bulls dont have a pick either. but non the less, George would be a great addition, and we will be dumping something like 22 million in contracts and taking in like 10 million in short term deals (which i dont think we can under the CBA), but make the numbers work and it sounds promising.
Yeah for some reason the trade machine wasnt working when i do 4 team trades but i think the numbers are pretty close .. we have george at 2.5 mill Posey at 7.6 beasley at 6.3, asik at 2 and Lee prolly at what .5 ? so that adds up to 18.9 so thats really close and maybe with a trade exception ( though i really dont have much expertise on how they work ) we could get the gap even closer. And i dont really care that the picks are far in the future ... i actually think that could benefit us. We already have 2 picks ( if we dont make the playoffs and the Knicks arent top 5 ) in 2012 and we get a grizzlies pick somewhere down the line but lose 1 of our own assuming we make the playoffs by 2016. I think that we already have a pretty good mix of young talent on the team at this point and they deserve to be given a chance ... some players might be better than we expect. To have extra first round picks when you are starting to try and contend is amazing. You can hope they are low in which case you can add another stud... but even if they are not having multiple picks in the same draft allows for a lot of flexibility and can be used to add solid veteran contributors at a time when you dont really need young players anymore. Thanks for actually reading the whole thing it is kinda crazy but i actually like the direction it puts us in.
It sounds good for most teams. TWolves dont give up much but dont get much either. but ill be surprised if NO rocket end up only with RA.History has shown, coaches ALWAYS ALWAYS take on some of their former players. thats why we got Bobby Jackson, K-Mart, Brad Miller, and under JVG we had all the former Knicks. So i definetly see minni as our trade partner. However, Brewer and Korver play the same position. I see Kmart going to Minni. They need to prove to Love that they are forreal if they wanna resign him.
K-mart to minny would almost nessecitate a different scola trade . The main piece i would want for k-mart would be wes johnson. So maybe beasley and Johnson ( whoever else besides wes it takes to match salaries ) and then a first round pick. That is a really good deal for minny and if i were the rockets i would try to ask for 2 picks .... still Wes J could end up being pretty good .. i dont like him as much as george though Then I wouldnt do scola to indy because their main asset also plays SF and although he is better than johnson he is kind of redundant. Maybe if i could find a 3rd team that liked johnson and needed an SF could be enticed to part with him for a young player of similar talentmaybe the Jazz would do Favors to the rockets and get Johnson ... i dont know or maybe even a player picked high in 2011 could be enticed by johnson . If i couldnt find a way to swap johnson ... he is still a pretty good piece and is worth a good look at.... so we still need to trade scola And this trade all comes down to whether or not you can anmnesty a contract that you get in a trade. Scola to Orl for Hedo and 2 firsts Orlando does it to put a really good PF next to dwight and posibly convince him to stay ... at least they wont trade him during the season. The only problem this causes is that ORL is thin at SF but im sure they can find a decent FA and really scola is a great complement to howard as he can both stretch the floor and go to work inside. The magic hope that maybe dwight stays and if he does then the picks are meh ... but if he leaves then the picks are gold. Another possible destination for Scola is OKC ... i feel that they still need a legit post scorer and would love to have scola I'd ask for harden plus filler ... which would coincidentally give us 5 players from the 09 lottery lol .
With the paydays coming to westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, i doubt they will take on any contract as big as scolas unless that person in a superstar like paul or D12. They could swing something like Rockets in- J.Smith and Paul George Indy first rounder and atlantas first Minni in- Kmart and Bud Atlant- Scola and Flynn NY 2012 first Indy in- Wes Johnson (played SG in college his first 2 years) and Beasly or Randolf (their choice)
First off I dont know if INDY takes that deal george is a highly rated prospect and i think only Scola or Martin gets him If that deal were to happen though i obviously like the return but feel iffy about the direction the trade sends us in We arent fully committed to rebuilding if we do this Maybe we can flip Smith to OKC .. they are more likely to give up Harden/ Ibaka for him since he is a better player ... but unless we flip smith for more prospects/ picks i wouldnt do that trade We are in too similar of a position afterwards it it basically and exchange of Martin for George with the loss of scola canceled out by Smith who while he is better isnt good enough to make us contend. Evin if we were to sign a FA center ... we then are relying on a 2nd year SF and have a thin SG rotation .. twill and lee would have to step up bigtime. I like it alot if we can flip smith for some good young players and picks tho ... This year unfortunately there arent that many PF needy teams that have assets that the rockets would like The place that i would try to work with is SA They would absolutely kill for smith ... he will give them legit hope for one last ride... I would ask a heavy price for him though ... 2 firsts and Leanard/ James Anderson. Plus maybe a good prospect they have stashed overseas .... the spurs are a very well run franchise though so it might be hard to get the best value for smith. But again i like the thinking going on here. I think we can get the best deals for scola and martin if we do a multiple team deal because the team that needs a PF or SG might not have assets that we really want . We could do straight up trade with indy and minny and end up with george and johnson plus picks .... not a bad haul .. especially if johnson can play the 2 well .... at the same time i think that if we flip johnson to a team that has a definite need at SF we can get alot more out of the deal.
Warning: not for tank haters. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=79mdqs7 Chicago Out: Boozer, Korver, Asik, 2k12 1st rounder Chicago In: Martin, Scola Pacers Out: George, Posey, 2k12 1st rounder Pacers In: Lee, Korver, Boozer Rockets Out: Scola, Martin, Lee Rockets In: George, Posey, Asik, 2k12 First rounder from both teams (wont be worth much though) Bulls: Rose, Martin, Deng, Scola, Noah (dayum!) Pacers: Colison, Lee, Granger, Boozer, Hibbert Rockets: Rebuild, Rethink, Retool, ReRed, Retank Obvious to say that both teams get better, Bulls can say FU to Miami! Hopefully, both teams can win all games against NY to kinda help us. ;D 1st rounders wont be worth much, so go ahead and lottery protect them. Posey is on last year and we save significantly big time ready t spend next year. Let the rookie contracts play and I will still go to games to see their progress, especially Patpat.
Here is another shot at a trade that most likely won't happen due to NBA SuperDivas, but here it is anyways: Spoiler This is the best package New Orleans is gonna get for CP3 and Emeka Okafor. They get another superstar, arguably the best pure scorer in the game, and a center that can fill in for the season. Depending on how Thabeet does, N.O. can either keep him, or deny his option for next year and get him off the books. The Knicks get their stud PG to pair up with Amare, as well as a defensive SF to help guard the perimeter. They also get a serviceable backup to CP3 with Johnny Flynn, that can be off the books next season if they decline his option. The Rockets lose their top scorer, along with two members of their 09 draft collection. In return, they gain the Center they've been looking for. A real defensive presence to protect the paint. They also get a huge expiring contract with Chauncey Billups. Having Chauncey come off the books could potentially open up 25 million or more in cap space this off-season. If the Rockets decline options on Jordan Hill (2.9 mil), T Will (2.4 mil), renounce Chuck, and stash Donatas overseas, they can open up around 20 mil. Not to mention Courtney Lee and Goran Dragic will be Free Agents as well, if they don't make a qualifying offer. I honestly don't see anyone getting shafted in this trade scenario. It also gives the Rockets lots of space and flexibility moving forward, and they can also use Okafor in a sign and trade for an upgrade at center (Dwight). The new lineups would be: New York Chris Paul Landry Fields Trevor Ariza Amar'e Stoudemire MLE Center (Possibly Dalembert) New Orleans Jarrett Jack Kevin Martin Carmelo Anthony Free agent PF (Bring back David West or Landry and this would be a beastly lineup) Hasheem Thabeet Houston Kyle Lowry Courtney Lee Marcus Morris/Chase Budinger/T Will? Luis Scola Emeka Okafor
Lol i think everyone except New Orleans gets shafted. No way NY does that. They will just wait till free agency to get paul. And no way houston does that... maybe if this was 5 years ago. Okafor is a nice piece ... but he doesnt even have as much vaule as Martin alone and while CB is an expiring so are Thabeet and Flynn so its not really that much more felxibility. I would rather see what we have in thabeet than take on Okafor and his big contract .... he is solid but so is hayes lol. He is only 6' 10" and is proven to be decent. That trade really blows for houston unless we get 3-4 firsts out of it. NY doesnt do it either. Like i said earlier they will wait. No way they give up Carmelo
^^^ Whats the point of him wanting to go to NY if you trade Melo? On top of that we are giving up Martin for okafor?!? We get raped there. I'm for the poster who brought up the Indy trade: see if Indy is really in win now mode and try to pry George from them with Scola (add fillers). Hans played decent for them, from what I saw, but wouldn't he be better backing up Scola and it would make Indy better?
None whatsoever!! Let the young guys play. Doesn't look like Chuck is coming back so at the very least bring in Sammy D since he's the only guy wanting to play here in Houston and won't cost as much. Don't want to overpay for Nene or Chandler!!
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before but why doesn't Morey amnesty either Thabeet or Scola and try to sign Marc Gasol for a 13-16mil/4yr contract with the extra cap space then flipping Marc Gasol plus a couple players or picks to the Magic for Dwight Howard. If I'm the Magic, I take that in a heartbeat especially if the Rockets are willing to absorb Hedo's contract in the trade. If the Magic say no then at least we found our answer for the center position for the next 4-5 years. This would still allow us to make a move for Chris Paul by sending over Kyle Lowry, Kevin Martin, Patrick Patterson and a pick. By bringing both Paul and Howard together we might entice them to resign here next offseason. I know I'm dreaming, but can anyone see this as even a slight possibility?
