Chandler Parsons over Jeremy Tyler -- Did Morey make the right decision?

Morey should seek out Tyler's Tokyo teammate.

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Three players I would have thought about drafting:

Vucevic, Benson, Jordan Williams. All probably have the size to play center but would they be any good?

This team hasn't drafted a center since Yao (okay, Dorsey). If you believe that you build a great team through the draft (I do), then why don't we ever draft centers? We're not the kind of team that will be able to trade for a great center because we're not good enough.

Hindsight is 20/20 but could we really have traded for Cousins last year? If so, we blew that one.

 

Morey pushed hard to trade down in the Draft to get Cousins, but Sacramento would not pull the trigor. Thats one of the more well recorded attempts Morey had to trade down in the draft. It was not Morey's fault they couldnt get him. That pick inevitably was not available.

As for drafting centers, Its a drafting philosophy that you take the best player available, but Morey has mentioned "fit" many times as well when talking about players they rank on their board. Meaning if the prospects are equal in quality of pick, the player that fits more as far as position of need would be higher ranked.

So yes, the Rockets have tried to draft a center, but the center must at least be in the neighborhood in quality as the other players they have on their board.

-As for taking a late 1st or 2nd round project center, I understand what you mean by drafting a center like Benson or Vucevic just for the shear gamble that he could become a stop gap center in the future, but look at what they have got in the past basically for FREE or by giving up nothing more than expiring contracts.... Hasheem Thabeet, Jordan Hill, and Marcus Cousin. Shoot, Memphis even gave the Rockets a draft pick to take on Thabeet.

Right there you have three project Centers who might even have a higher ceiling than a Keith Benson, or a Jeremy Tyler type of prospect.

Its just that we as fans have been able to judge 2 out of 3 of our project bigs, and are not happy with the results so far. But what your failing to realize is that the Rockets project bigs right now probably have a better chance of succeeding in the NBA than a Keith Benson despite their dissapointment so far with the Rockets.

Just realize the Rockets will always keep room open for a few projects with a high ceiling, but why waste a pick on one when you can get one handed to you for next to nothing? Im all for using draft picks on players that have a better chance at success in the NBA.

Hope that helps explain why the Rockets dont need to draft project bigs.

 

Yes he did make the right decision,

Only bumped this because somebody bumped the Marcus Morris v Kawhai Leonard thread.

 

I never understood the point in bumping these. Yes you were right......do you want a cookie or something?

 

Parsons is the best player from the 2011 draft that was not already dubbed a superstar (i.e. Irving, etc).

 

Nice... You really got him back!!! :grin:

 

Now going into the most important stretch of the season Parsons is being relied on to carry the two most important roles on both sides of the court. Especially since Lowry has been out, Parsons has been the one to really initiate the offense get the ball where it needs to go or try to break down the defense. On Defense, he's the Rockets 1st or 2nd best option when guard the opposing teams best player.

Stats might not always show it, but its very evident that Parsons is one of the Rockets most important players, and if they do go into the playoffs there is not doubt in my mind that he SHOULD be considered for Rookie of the Year. I know Irving is a lock, and the NBA would never allow this to happen, but what rookie is having this much of an impact on a winning team going into the playoffs???? Not too many.

 

Leonard?

 

CFs once again prove how bad of armchair GMs they are.

 

Good player as well, but he doesn't have as important of a role as Parson's does IMO. He's a stud, but he has 3 or 4 other players on that team that shoulder more of the burden. Thats really the only point. Kenneth Faried is another rookie that needs some consideration. He's been a revelation. If he had been in the rotation since the beginning of the season I would say he should be in the mix as well. Sadly enough, the NBA really only cares about stats when it elects its stars. Oh well.

 

When we finally get national TV coverage, I hope NBA fans and media will discover for themselves how huge his impact on the game has been. So that he gets considered for ROY honors. Now it's maybe only Durant (and his coaches) plus the TV commentators who see how great he plays.

Take away Lowry, we still have Dragic. If KMart is in a funk, we have Lee. Shut down Scola, we still have PPat. But take away CP25, I dread to see the day. He's our best perimeter defender for 3s and some 2s. He can take on 4s on short-term, and he's a great playmaker--always seems to get the ball to teammates in scoring position. Just smart, smart bb player and very mature for a rookie. DM outdid himself with Chandler Parsons.

 

I hope that our front office has deleted the person/program that pushed the Morris selection over Leonard. But we would have had a real mess at the SF spot if we had Leonard, Parsons and Bud.

 

What are you talking about? The guy was the big 12 player of the year. He's going to be a good player when he finds a good fit with this team or another one. The Rockets played Parsons over Morris based on need of a certain skillset. Whatever, this is a celebration of the amazing pickup that Parson's was, not a "is Marcus Morris a bust" thread.

 

And what are you basing that assessment on sir??? Playing time is the true gauge of talent right? Wasn't he drafted with a hope and a prayer of converting from a PF to a SF? Has Parsons gotten more PT in a quarter than Morris all year? If he had talent would we have packaged Bud up for a 2nd rounder at the trade deadline?

So many questions so few answers.

After reading this thread there has to be 20 all time blooper quotes in it. Playing time is the only metric that is applicable. CF speculation is by and large garbage.

And you know what. I don't feel at all bad getting a low blow in on all the Morris "he has talent out the wazoo" people out there.

Talk to me when he is a regular in the rotation.

 

Hence why I said "fit" being the key to him being successful. My point is the guy isnt a project player like other that have been takin in by the organization as a flyer. The dude can play and proved it in college. In the NBA, its yet to be seen of course based on evidence. Ill give you that much.

But look at his twin and what he's doing in Phoenix now because of the fit and chance to play he has gotten there. There wasn't anyone that beat Markieff out for minutes at the 4 spot there. He had opportunity, and showed what he could do. Not say that Markieff and Marcus are the exact same player, but anyone who has ever watched a Kansas basketball game the past two years before this one will tell you that Marcus is actually better than Markieff slightly, but they are both almost identical in talent, abilities, athleticism, and workability.

There aren't too many rookies that dont play that you can be as certain of their abilities as you can with Marcus Morris. He's going to be good if he's not already. He might not be a small forward, but he will play be a good player at one of the two positions. Maybe not with the Rockets, but somewhere he will be.

 

This. Its amazing how people think. Because Parsons has been good that means Morris sucks. Morris is and always will be an offensive player. They are different and that does mean that Morris won't be success at one of the foward positions. They guy needs floor time and hasn't gotten it. Parson's skillset fit a need & to his credit he has run with his opportunity. Props to him, the guy can play. Is it beyond the realm of possibility that both guys might be good NBA players? Parsons just hit his stride much quicker than Morris.

 

You are completely correct. Morris, by definition was going to be a project. Converting from a college PF to SF is going to take time, dedication, coaching and work. And since Morey's staff is orders of magnitude better than I am in talent evaluation, I have to assume that they are right.

I have gone on the record in numerous threads that with Parsons we have scored the best second round pick of this young decade. Been trashed too, numerous times with the statement that Durant, LBJ, etc. are going to make a hard rain fall on Parsons. And when I tell them to compare the stat lines for the heads up games they end up using lots of symbols like #$%%^&##$$.

I respect your perspective on the Rockets and the game. Your analytics are sound. And I read all of your posts carefully.

Cheers!

 

Let us be honest, Morris does suck now. But I feel sure that the Rockets staff knew that it was going to happen. Converting from a college PF to a NBA SF was going to be difficult.

Hopefully we will see him in the rotation next year with a better game than Bud on both sides of the ball. I'm pretty old school on defense. And that may not be wise given how the perimeter game has changed.

 

Im actually thinking that the Rockets will most likely move Budinger over to the SG position next season if they cant work out a way to keep Lee. Morris should be in the rotation on way or another next season, but if your looking for a way it could happen that is something I have been sort of had on my radar.

I actually think Bud would be a much more effective player playing alongside a more defensive minded natural SF like Parsons anyways. That being said I love Lee, and hope he stays but realize its a huge possibility that he doesn't get resigned in the offseason.