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The coaching change itself is not going to lead to tanking

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by meh, Dec 1, 2011.

  1. meh

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    I'm baffled at the number of people who think Morey already started to tank with the hiring of McHale. And I want to make it clear that the team can and WILL certainly win with McHale, as long as the talent is available.

    Why?

    McHale himself is a proud man who would never purposely lose games.
    McHale will get sacrificed to calm the fanbase if he purposely lose games. And he'll never get hired in the NBA again.
    The team also hired numerous assistants who certainly didn't come to the Rockets to make their resume look worse
    The Rockets brought up Finch to learn how to coach under McHale. Not learn how to tank under McHale.
    The Rockets have a ridiculously young team, and having them tank games will be horrible going forward.
    No matter how slight the odds, the Rockets are at least trying to lure FAs or players via trade. Although conspiracy theorists may disagree here.

    Can the Rockets tank? Yes. They can trade away Scola. They can trade away Martin. They can refuse to resign Chuck Hayes. They can deplete the Roster of talent to the point where Phil Jackson can't win more than 20 games with it. But if the Rockets have similar talent to last year, this team will be a .500 ballclub if not better.
     
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  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I think it is a matter of, if he wins - great, but if he loses, that is ok too.

    If the team was committed to winning NOW, they keep Adelman, whether they say it or not publicly, the team is rebuilding, and I believe will play the young guys a LOT more than say Rick would....

    And by young guys, I mean guys that are not ready to be NBA rotational players yet and need playing time to figure it out.

    DD
     
  3. RedRedemption

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    We won't tank. We'll just "develop our young players."
     
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  4. SamFisher

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    They brought him in to "learn to coach" from a guy who pitched a 31% record in his one non-interim stint, who has about 95 games to his credit? You really think that's why he's here, to impart his coaching acumen -that there's nobody else?

    Sure.....I wonder when he'll break out the measuring tape, Hoosiers-style, to show Finch that the hoop is 10 feet tall and the paint 12 feet etc, just like RGV.

    The thing that you fail to see despite it having been raised many times on this board over the years is that tanking doesn't mean the Rockets start shooting the ball at the wrong basket like Ricky Davis.
     
  5. heypartner

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    Yep, the coaching is not enough to tank. Our anemic fans in the lower level will play a key role in generating a losing atmosphere at Toyota Center.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    The top-down assetization of the players generally takes 3-4 years to negatively impact their playing abilities as well, as they become more and more like commodities and less like people - this is the year that Morey's objectification begins to take its toll.
     
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    I'm just hoping that bringing McHale on board puts an end to the "(Insert Name of Rockets Big Man) should work out with Hakeem!!!!11" posts
     
  8. meh

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    There's a difference between purposely tanking and not being good. You are right that McHale may turn out to be the wrong hire. But if so, it would be because Morey made a huge mistake. And that he failed. But I'm 100% certain he didn't purposely create a losing coaching staff. That he hopes this coaching staff can help the players play at their best.
     
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    It's very hard to be a competitor and tank. Especially a competitor on an HoF level.
     
  10. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THE TEAM NO GIVE EFFORT!

    People just want the young players to player a significant amount of minutes.
     
  11. SamFisher

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    I know. People have been trying to explain this to you repeatedly but failed.. Not because we are tanking, but because we are just not good enough to make you understand.

    McHale is explicitly set up to be a short term coach - he is the caretaker down by the old mill. If he stayed and became successful it would be a huge mistake and epic failure by morey.
     
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    ... and this strategy has 1 percent chance of winning the championship.

    it's not tanking at all..
     
  13. DaDakota

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    That is interesting, Kevin Martin said as much in his exit interview, once players lose that "I matter to the team" feeling, it becomes all about themselves.

    Gonna have to watch for that, good observation Sam.

    DD
     
  14. meh

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    Name a single legitimate coach in NBA history who are willing to bench veteran player the caliber of Scola and Martin to "develop" young players? Heck, John Lucas benched freaking Tyronne Hill and people accused him of tanking.
     
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    How can we not be good enough if we still have talent? Changing the coach doesn't change the talent on the team. Lowry, Martin, Scola, these guys aren't going to suddenly not know how to play basketball because McHale, Sampson, Finch, etc. are now coaching them.
     
  16. SamFisher

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    Expect a significant rise in drug use and players moonlighting as male escorts while Morey's meat-centric view of players begins to sink in.

    They will look at Finch and say "I wish I could be here when Harry PotterFinch has ascended to the rank of high wizard, but since I am just a contract of pork bellies for April 2012 delivery I will expire by then" - this will cause the prostitution to increase and the losses to pile up.
     
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    I'll add forever:

    1. until they actually acquire a top Tier 1 talent (Highly doubt it only because Houston isn't the type of City that attracts those kind of players)

    2. until they do pretty bad in any given year to draft in the top 3 spots.

    3. and the most unlikely of reason.. they have a tier 2/3 talent that becomes the next Lebron,Kobe,D'Howard,C. Paul, etc...

    This club can make the playoffs but what will be the end result?

    Years stuck in making the playoffs but not making it deep into the playoffs let alone the finals.
     
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    I will add how come we have to call it "Tanking" and not developing young talent :grin:
     
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    We shall see just how much Adelman meant to the team. Certainly 2 years ago when Yao was out for the whole year the team over achieved by anyone reasonable's standards. Last year that was kind of taken for granted, and certainly when missing the playoffs barely is over achieving you have a lot of work to do as a franchise. A lot will depend on how Lowrey plays this year. He was putting up border line All Star numbers for much of the 2nd half of the season, and his 3pt shot was greatly improved. Time will tell if that was an extended hot streak or a permanent improvement to his game.
     
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    Leaked photo of McHale from him and Morey's last press conference.

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