No what's annoying is that this issue can't seem to end. I had a few minor, but legitamate, complaints with an episode I actually thought was good in a show I actually love. So the hell what. I have no problem accepting shows like this as escapist entertainment, but that doesn't mean the characters can simply ignore the rules of the world in which they live.
I am hoping it gets better. The show is still young and can change. They have made lots of changes to the staff, writers, producers, etc. that can impact the series in a much different way. The second half of this season will determine if I keep watching it or not. Besides, I transitioned to watching it on my own time now instead of making time to watch it as I am already losing interest. Until then, why is there such a problem with discussing legitimate criticisms of this show? It's not like the majority are complaining about the use of props or topography (except for that one guy). There are some blatant plot holes and other aspects of this show that I'd like to see improved.
True. People annoyed with nitpicking over realism in a zombie show are ignoramuses. People that b**** every week about a zombie show but keep watching it are stupid. And Duncan, I didn't call you out by name, and by and large, my annoyance isn't with any of the things you specifically brought up. Where I get annoyed is when people complain about "plot holes" that are simple more likely details left out to move the narrative along. Someone on a fan forum I read earlier today mentioned how if you shot the move frame by frame with the panels from the comic, in a one hour weekly TV show (really about 40 taking out commercials), it'd likely be season four before you even GOT to the farm. Worried about the ammo? Fine. Assume they found a stockpile somewhere in their travels and move along. Worried about Andreas vast improvement in aim? Fine. Assume her increasing confidence allowed her to tap into a natural ability she never knew she had and move along. And... if you can't move along, then move along from the series. Or don't. Arguing in circles with you people drags me into the same nonsense that annoyed me in the first place. If you want, let's move on to something more important, like whether or not Sophia's Old Navy t-shirt is realistic since clearly that particular outfit was discontinued as a sale item in 2004. I can't wait to hear next week's criticisms. I'm sure they'll be super spot-on and insightful. No matter what, some of you will continue to b**** and moan about everything that doesn't make perfect sense to you, and I will continued to be irritated by it. Such is life, I suppose. This is why I limit my posting on here. Idiots give me migraines.
And if you can't accept people critiquing the show then maybe you should move along from this thread.
See this I don't understand. Honestly what difference does it make if it's a show about zombies, forensic scientists, lawyers, mafia kingpins, international spies or chemistry teacher turned drug dealer? Most dramas tend to strive for a sense of realism in the fictional world they have created. Obviously it won't be completely realistic because that would make it pretty boring. But, as I've said, you have to follow the rules for the world that you've created. This isn't Army of Darkness here. Walking Dead, at least the tv show, seems to strive for a realistic interpretation of a post-apocalyptic world inhabited by zombies. I know realistic zombies might seem like an oxymoron but it doesn't have to be. It's why I liked 28 Days Later, I Am Legend, World War Z because they tried to paint a realistic picture to otherwise far fetched ideas.
Sure, let's play a game of who should do what, buddy. I say people should stop b****ing, you say I should stop b****ing about people b****ing. Let's keep going and see if we can form a black hole.
That's fine, but some of the silly nitpicking I've heard is what I was initially speaking out against. I don't know where this turned into me being completely anti-criticism. That wasn't the intent. The intent was some of the silly stuff I've been reading over the last few days. And again, everything I've said was general and I'm not calling you or anyone else out specifically, mostly because I don't have the time to sift through posts and ascribe specific comments to people. I'll just say... incessant complaining is annoying. That's quite different from normal criticism. I'll leave it at that.
Which makes me wonder what if Hbo or Showtime picked this up?? I'm not sure if AMC will allow some of the stuff in the comics fly by on network TV....
I didnt think the comics were all that great, but I did enjoy reading them and continue to do so. The Tv show however IMO is pretty horrible and can only continue to watch by skipping the countless scenes of "drama" between the characters. The major problem I have with the show, aside from the slow moving plot and occasional absurd conflicts, is that aside from Darryl, maybe Glenn and Hot cowboy chick, I don't like any of the characters. I'm hoping we get a couple of characters introduced later in the comics sooner than later. The show would be so much better if they; pick up the pace, MORE ZOMBIES, MORE running, surviving, shooting, hiding, traveling and Less MUCH LESS scenes involving characters talking to each other about their feelings and ****. This is a zombie show, not friggin Mad Men, so please act accordingly... more real conflict and less emotional ones.
You signed up nine years ago and this thread got you out of the coma and start posting to complain about the complainers? Are you related to the producer of this show? I don't know why you're getting so bent out of shape because posters are discussing a show and having a good laugh at some of the uneven writing. People can b**** about Andrea and still enjoy the show. Just like fans who deride Kubiak can still enjoy watching the Texans.
but that's what I love about madman, not Michael bay explosions, no action for no reason. I will admit that the first episodes of season two were slow. The dialog and story make the midseason cliffhanger even better... its a nice break before madmen come on, and a dialog driven drama comes back.... if you want transformers then looks elsewhere.. “I'll never leave you bumblebee!” pffft
Some of these issues aren't nitpicking, but important aspects of the story worthy of question. What was Dale expecting to do with the guns? Wasting ammo and how firing all willy nilly should be attracting all the zombies within a 5 mile radius (staying quiet is heavily emphasized in the comic). How was it a 12 year old girl gets put in the barn without Herschel knowing it, or anyone else not Otis knowing it? If Patricia was feeding them wouldn't she notice a girl too? I think the viewer's scrutiny of detail is due to 2 things. TWD's buzz first rose from the diehard fans of the comics, who had hyped up the show for months before airing. And this being an AMC show, there's probably a lot of people who watched Breaking Bad before picking this up. And everything in that show was purposefully included/excluded, with a high level of attention to detail from Gilligan.
The wasting of the ammo, plus the loudness of Darryl's motorcycle when they try to keep quiet. Rick telling Morgan to stay off the roads yet they travel down the interstates freely. They've been ignoring established plot points like these already. There's no consistency and it's a huge flaw when you're telling a story. I'm thinking they found her bitten and turned. Then they round her up and put her in the barn. From the looks of it, if there is a live human, the walkers will eat her up. If she was bitten and walked away from it to die on her own, she gets turned. That's what I thought happened to Sophia and Herschel and co. just wanted to keep quiet while Rick and crew pointlessly search for her.
I highly advise you to watch the talking dead. The show is about the survivors 1st zombies 2nd. It's about the progression of characters in this world that has gone to hell. They are surviving and basically hiding. They have lost 1 person and only encountered less than 5 zombies outside the barn and you want them to keep traveling? Please tell me, if you found a place like that farm with little to no zombies. Would you leave? And why would you? Pretty realistic that they are trying to stay. I think most of these emotional conflicts they have had are necessary. They can't all be tough as nails
He basically said it, he wanted to hide it from shane because he felt he was a big danger to the group. Him aiming and almost firing at Rick in season one and shane almost admitting he shot otis and left him for dead. When Rick and hershel were getting the two neighbor zombies he said that it was mainly otis' job and when shane and him went to get medicine they never mentioned that they were looking for a little girl. The others might not have payed much attention to it since it was mainly otis' job to do that.
yeah when otis and shane went to get the medicine they were just concerning about carl not the girl...they didnt join them until later
I agree that the show should be about the characters first as any show would be, however I guess I just find the conflicts/storylines about them absurd, manufactured and laboriously SLOW. The progression of the characters should be shown by them living and surviving in the world that has gone to hell, instead it seems just like a story about a bunch of really melodramatic and boring characters in any setting. Hell cut out the 5 or 10 minutes each episodes with zombies in it and I wouldnt be able to tell anythings changed. One of my many points about things that would improve the show was indeed traveling, however that does not mean I wouldn't want them to ever settle down in any location. The farm as constructed in this storyline may or may not be one of these location. The problem I have with the farm storyline is how contrived the conflict is. Why would they need to stay on that particular farm if; Hershell doesnt want them, there is a barn full of zombies, they are sleeping unprotected out in the open in tents? Furthermore If the area is so safe and zombie free, couldnt they just move into the neighboring properties? Zombie shows, movies, novels etc should be focused on the characters and their progression, however they should do so within the zombified reality they created. Instead of manufacturing and contriving "drama" the show should utilize the major built in conflicts and drama created by the setting of a zombified world... namely the struggle to survive, maintain sanity, find and defend food, shelter and necessities while dealing with interpersonal relationship. Season two thus far has nearly entirely been about interpersonal relationship and petty arguments. Oh no doubt, Mad Men is an excellent show and has been my favorite since The Wire. I just meant I want my zombie shows full of external conflicts and environmental struggle and not a poor imitation of great dramas like Mad Men or Breaking Bad.
