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Obama gives up on white working class

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Nov 28, 2011.

  1. Carl Herrera

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    What operatives and what preparations?

    The article only cites some opinions of random pollsters, researchers, analysts, etc about the shift in voting patterns. No one working for or associated with Obama, nothing says we don't want any white working class votes even if it's not going to be a majority.

    Did GWB "give up on" or "abandon" Latino voters because he had to know that the GOP wasn't gonna get the majority of them?
     
  2. mc mark

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    or gays, or blacks, or women
     
  3. Carl Herrera

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    Did Daryl Morey abandon NBA superstars because he doesn't have a better than 50% chance of getting them?

    Has Kevin Martin abandoned 3-pt shooting because his 3-pt FG% is below 50?
     
  4. Raven

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    And the GOP does nothing but screw them over.

    :(
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    You guys fell into the trap. The thread had no serious replies until basso said it was racism. He made the claim to get attention to this thread he was paid to create.

    basso doesn't believe it's racism, but knows the more publicity the idea gets the better it is for him. Maybe he's paid for responses or needs a certain amount to keep his job.
     
  6. thadeus

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    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/7AkymYB_Hso" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  7. mc mark

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    joking aside. I'd like to make a point in a basso thread

    What this article is is a thinly veiled hit piece directed squarely at OWS.

    Think about it, who are a large portion of the 99%? Disaffected, middle class white people. What better way to defuse OWS then by changing the narrative that Obama is "giving up on 99%" of the country?

    ain't gonna work
     
  8. Major

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    You assumed they were giving up on these voters because of their race. But they are giving up on them because they don't feel they can win votes - their race is incidental and simply descriptive of a subset of voters. As usual,

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  9. basso

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    NYTimes is writing anti-OWS hit pieces?

    Put another way, the NYT thinks the UWS is anti-OWS?
     
  10. mc mark

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    NYTimes helped Bush lie the US into war with the right connections. What better place to drop such an opinion piece?
     
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    Guy really needs attention huh?
     
  12. mc mark

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    BTW

    Are you ever going to post in your sexy Russian anchor thread again? That thread is awesome!
     
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    perhaps he's counting on Philly-based Fraud 'n Change to find the votes he can't get by legitimate means.

    Obama writing off Pennsylvania?
    By Salena Zito
    PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Sunday, December 4, 2011

    NEW BRIGHTON

    The Brighton Hot Dog Shoppe on Third Avenue is one of those places where politicians who want to be president stop to look decidedly un-presidential.

    Al Gore visited; so did John Kerry. President Barack Obama opted instead for ice cream at the Windmill, 8 miles up the road.

    "It is where you take them to make candidates look authentic," explained a Democrat strategist who routinely works on presidential campaigns in the Keystone State.

    After orchestrating three statewide presidential wins, he is sitting out this cycle. He doesn't see Obama winning Pennsylvania in 2012.

    Life is different here in Beaver County: Three chili dogs with "the works," large fries and a large vanilla milkshake cost just over $8. Outside, a steady stream of hunters, families and other locals lingered after Thanksgiving, enjoying unseasonable warmth.

    Beaver County has long been a Democrat stronghold. Traditionally, everything along the rivers where industry used to boom is more Democrat; the farther from the rivers, the more conservative the voters -- yet even conservatives are registered as Democrats.

    Their preferences changed dramatically in 2008 when Republican John McCain beat Obama here. Until then, the last GOP presidential candidate to win the county was Richard Nixon.

    That trend solidified when the much more conservative Pat Toomey, a Republican, beat former congressman Joe Sestak, a Democrat, for a U.S. Senate seat.

    Hard to imagine a Democrat could lose Pennsylvania in a presidential election, especially one who won it just three years ago by nearly 10 percentage points.

    Never mind that Republicans swept the state in last year's midterm elections, taking a majority of U.S. House seats, a U.S. Senate seat, both chambers of the state Legislature and the governor's mansion -- Pennsylvania is still 4 percent more "Democrat" than her Midwestern counterparts.

    The latest survey from liberal-leaning Public Policy Polling showed 59 percent of white Pennsylvania voters disapprove of Obama's job performance, a rate usually found among Southern voters.

    Sean Trende, a RealClearPolitics numbers analyst, said that while the president could write off Pennsylvania and win, it would be difficult. "The key would be holding the Bush states he won in the Mountain West -- Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico, plus Virginia and North Carolina."

    That path gives him 280 electoral votes and assumes he will lose Indiana and Ohio, which he almost certainly will if he loses Pennsylvania.

    Obama's main problem in Pennsylvania is downscale whites, said Trende: "The white working class has never been crazy about this president, and really only came on board with the collapse of the stock market in September of 2008."

    It has nothing to do with race. "He called them 'bitter,'" Trende said -- and they have never forgotten that.

    If Obama writes off Pennsylvania, he's basically conceding he can't win the Pittsburgh area outside Allegheny County and is running poorly in the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre area.

    "In the long run, the Philly suburbs can conceivably provide enough votes to overcome this," Trende said, though he hasn't seen evidence of that yet.

    Without a collapsing economy to remind these voters why they're still Democrats, they will vote Republican. Indeed, a just-stagnant economy on a Democrat's watch doesn't help.

    Six weeks ago, Obama visited Pittsburgh. The union crowd was thin. Enthusiasm was nonexistent; so were local elected Democrats, who opted to shake his hand at the airport rather than stand on stage with him while he talked about jobs.

    Last week he went to Scranton, home to Vice President Joe Biden and U.S. Sen. Bob Casey. A no-show in Pittsburgh, Casey again declined to appear with Obama.

    Like Pittsburgh's congressional Democrats, the freshman senator faces a tough re-election campaign next year.

    In off-year elections last month, Republicans increased Pennsylvania counties they control by 12, to 52 of 67. Most gains were in Northeastern or Western Pennsylvania, home to Scranton and Pittsburgh, respectively.

    Heading north along state Route 51 into Allegheny County, a faded Hillary-for-president sign straddles a closed business and a yard. Duct tape appears to be still holding it in place.



    Read more: Obama writing off Pennsylvania? - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pit...lumnists/zito/print_770153.html#ixzz1fgVPagi1
     
  14. CrazyDave

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    It's like watching Perry at a debate.
     
  15. basso

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    worth highlighting this bit:


    The latest survey from liberal-leaning Public Policy Polling showed 59 percent of white Pennsylvania voters disapprove of Obama's job performance, a rate usually found among Southern voters.
     
  16. Major

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    Your ability to project result is fantastic:

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=156782

    I enjoyed your "McCain will win PA and VA" calls on election day 2008.
     
  17. mc mark

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