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Breaking: NBA Lockout is Over

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by ItsMyFault, Nov 26, 2011.

  1. supdudes

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    They don't have post moves because they're idiots that rely on pure athleticism to dominate the opponent. Which is why they've never gone far into the playoffs.

    And no, see KG
     
  2. Shaud

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    I want the rule because I like college basketball.

    As for the people saying if LeBron went to college his jumper would be better. Ummm it didn't improve Rajon Rondo's jumper.
     
  3. Shaud

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    Are you talking about Stoudemire and Howard because both of them have went far into the playoffs.
     
  4. Major

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    I'm not sure it was anything more than a wash, but I'm not sure the exact details. The deal has an opt-out for either side after 6 years. Given that's unlikely both sides are happy in 6 years, I assume this is probably a 6 year deal.

    On the financial side, the 49-51 band they got is essentially the same as was offered before, with a little more risk/reward on the players' end. They can get 51% if the NBA grows faster than everyone thinks, and 49% if it's slower. The general premise was already on the table in the last offer.

    On the plus side, they gained:

    * Higher rookie & max salaries relative to the cap, which benefits superstars and rookies while hurting all the other players since the total pool of money is the same.

    * Limited escrow, which seems like a win more in principle than anything else. The only time this would really be relevant is if the teams all go on a crazy spending spree, or revenues turn out way less than was projected 3 months before the season started. And if they miss that badly, the first money comes out of the benefits pool for players anyway.

    * They get to keep extend-and-trades, which I believe affected all of 1 player last CBA.

    * They get 1 extra year of MLE's every other year (4yr deals every year instead alternative 4 vs 3). This is a plus, but again, it nets out the same. If I get to sign a 4 yr deal this year instead of 3, it just means a team will have less cap space in 3 years. If I get paid more, someone else is going to get paid less.

    * The apron MLE / luxury tax thing. This was probably the one thing that was a true win for players in that a team just under the tax can now use the MLE to go over the tax, so players get a little movement.

    Unless I'm missing something, these are the things they "won". For these things, they paid about $400 million in lost salaries. If you assume a 6 year deal, that's the equivalent of getting 47% of BRI instead of 50%. If you assume a full 10 year deal, it's the equivalent of 48% (ignoring NBA growth over the course of the deal - in reality, it would probably be something like 47.5 and 48.5). If the players had just offered 48% of BRI a month ago, they could have gotten all of the above and more. So I would argue it's a loss compared to what they could have gotten, but a wash or maybe a slight win compared to the last offer they rejected, depending on how much they value the 2-3% of BRI they lost as opposed to the system issues they won. $400MM is a lot of salary that simply can't be made up. And the owners could easily have squeezed the players far more if they wanted. To be honest, I'm a bit surprised they moved so quickly to even discuss negotiations, but I guess the Christmas deadline was tempting to limit the PR damage.
     
  5. Air Langhi

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    Man if you don't think amare has gotten better since his rookie year you might not be watching him. I would say his fifteen foot jumper is as good as dreams. I think too many people have the good old days symptom. The back it back it in offense is boring unless it's your team and you are winning.
     
  6. supdudes

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    However both him and Howard never LEAD a team deep into the playoffs.My point is really just that it depends on the player, and not whether they came straight out of high school or not. Plus, not all college basketball teams emphasize developing fundamentals as they do team play. It's just the sign of the times, too, when players are focusing on physical prowess over say, developing a hook shot.
     
  7. Shaud

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    Ok I agree with that. Well I do think Dwight lead Orlando to the finals that year. I agree with everything else though.
     
  8. da_juice

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    Amnesty cuts suck, since they can only be used for already existing contracts,

    yet again the league rewards bad management and punishes smart moves.
     
  9. Major

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    Actually, my math was bad here. It would actually be 48.3% and 49% instead of 47/48.
     
  10. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Yes, but the smart management teams can pick and choose from the players that were amnesty cut.

    For instance, if Dallas wants to resign Chandler, they probably have to cut Hayward....and we could use him.

    DD
     
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    Actually, I see a huge improvement in his jump shot. A 15 ft jump shot doesn't mean his post skills are as advanced as Hakeem. His post skills still don't come close to Hakeem.

    It's his advanced post skills that are far behind Hakeem. If you think a 15 ft jump shot means his post skills are comparable to Dream, that's great.
     
  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Amare is not a post skills player, he is a quickness on the break and mid range player.

    DD
     
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    HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
    On the compressed season: It will run Dec. 25-April 26. Teams will avg 3.9 games/week, up from usual 3.5/week. About 2 extra games per month

    HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
    Every team will play at least one back-to-back-to-back set (i.e. 3 straight nights), and up to 3 back-to-back-to-back sets during season.

    HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
    Teams will play 48 games in-conference (4 fewer than usual) and 18 games out-of-conference. Thus, not all teams will visit all cities.

    HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
    Also, every second-round playoff series will have at least one back-to-back set, to shorten the playoff time frame.
     
  14. SeabrookMiglla

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    HELP!!!!!!

    SOMEBODY EDIT THIS 3 SECOND CLIP OUT OF THIS VIdeo 4:40-4:43 thats how i feel about the lockout ended
     
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    I assume they will also shorten first-round playoff series instead of trying to maximize the number of games on TV.
     
  17. DaDakota

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    No way that happens...come on now......they want that TV money.

    DD
     
  18. BetterThanEver

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    Here is another tweet from the same guy.

     
  19. DrNuegebauer

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    I don't get it?

    You want to look like a douche because the lockout ended?
     
  20. SeabrookMiglla

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    no ive always wanted to edit that 3 second clip, the intensity is real

    and btw your moms a douche
     

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