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Breaking: NBA Lockout is Over

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by ItsMyFault, Nov 26, 2011.

  1. BetterThanEver

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    How is it better for the future NBA players, they gave up BRI instead of maintaining?

    57% Old CBA

    53% Players demand

    49-51% Owners demand/New CBA - Players are guaranteed 49% BRI, but they can get up to 51%. If player's salaries exceed 49%, then players get to keep their own escrowed wages up to 51% BRI. Otherwise, they are only guaranteed 49%.

    A drop from 57% guaranteed to 49% guaranteed is 8% or $320 mil ($4 bil x 0.08). The future players will give up $320 mil/yr on their wages to the owners. It's actually more than $320 mil, if you account for BRI increasing more than $4 bil.

    The owners get back the $320 mil to cover $300 million in losses, so they are able to make a profit again.
     
  2. Icehouse

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    Of course it's not better than the old CBA. Duh. The question is it better than the last deal they rejected? Still waiting on the details....
     
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But Stern made deal knowing he's got the needed votes.<br/><span class='embedly_timestamp'><a title='Sat Nov 26 15:22:05 +0000 2011' href='http://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/140450256298057728'>Nov 26</a> via <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/download/iphone" rel="nofollow">Twitter for iPhone</a></span><span class="tweet-actions"><a href="https://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=140450256298057728" class="favorite-action" title="Favorite"><span><i></i><b>Favorite</b></span></a><a href="https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=140450256298057728" class="retweet-action" title="Retweet"><span><i></i><b>Retweet</b></span></a><a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=140450256298057728" class="reply-action" title="Reply"><span><i></i><b>Reply</b></span></a></span></p></div></div></div>
     
  5. arjun

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    LOL...aaron brooks is stuck in china...that must suck!

    good thing we traded his ass, suns gave up dragic and a 1st for halfseason worth of mr. aaron brooks :cool::cool:

    well done morey.
     
  6. RedRedemption

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    Is it okay to cry?
     
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  8. Carl Herrera

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    One big item, I think, is the lack of true up mechanism if the 10% escrow doesn't cover salary in excess of the BRI split. Basically, it is up to owners not to go wild on salary. If they spend more than 55.56%, they will end up paying more than 50%.
     
  9. emcitymisfit

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    I thought if the escrow didn't make up for the overages, it was taken out of future checks in subsequent years
     
  10. BimaThug

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    While I know many think the players got nothing new under this deal from the owners' last proposal, you CANNOT underestimate what a huge concession it was for the escrow cap to be set at 10% with no additional retainage of salaries.

    Note that, while the players' % of BRI is dropping by about 12% (from 57 to ~50), the league is keeping the salary cap and luxury tax threshold artificially high (at last year's $58M and $70.3M, respectively) for the first two years of the new CBA. This means that player salaries will inevitably constitute far more than their allotted BRI share.

    Because neither the old or the new CBA allows the owners to take back any more than the escrowed funds to "re-calibrate" the BRI split in favor of the owners, this will in essence give the players a BRI split in excess of 50% for the first two years of the deal!

    There is no word yet on whether the owners will, in fact, be able to recoup that overage in future years, but even then, the players get what amounts to an interest-free loan of tens of millions of dollars. And that appears to be a worst-case scenario!

    I still think the players could have gotten this concession without blowing up the union had they played their cards right after Nov. 10, but this is a big win for them in an otherwise pro-owner deal that they knew was going to be bad no matter what happened.
     
  11. BimaThug

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    Dammit, you beat me to it! :p

    I knew I shouldn't have taken the time to give more detail in my post!
     
  12. DaDakota

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    Yep, figured this was about the right time. The players called the owners bluff about missing a season, and they both had too much to lose.

    Good!

    DD
     
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    I haven't checked the NBA dish in months....something told me to look, and bam! NBA!
     
  16. Carl Herrera

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    Haha. Already posted, in before the lock!!:p
     
  17. Icehouse

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    I never truly believed the owners really wanted to miss a full season.
     
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    Next year's free agent class could be a goldmine.

    A max player with a player option will opt out early to avoid the lower BRI cap of 49% and get a max based on the 57%.

    Rockets may not want to exercise their options on our young players, if the free agent market rocks.
     
  19. Icehouse

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    So what specific players fall into this category?
     
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    Call me an "*******", screw Twitter.
     

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