Jesse Benton: CBS treatment of Ron Paul DISGRACEFUL

So his solution is to piss in the wind? He could make a difference as a third-party candidate in the general. He won't running in a GOP primary. We've been through this movie before.

 

i don't see any 3rd party candidates being invited to any of these televised debates

 

Maybe Dick Cheney is the charade Republican, not RP. That's the point.

 

Republican Party Candidates in Four-Way Dead Heat
By John McCormick - Nov 15, 2011

Herman Cain, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich are in a dead heat as the top choices for Iowans likely to attend the Jan. 3 Republican presidential caucuses.

A Bloomberg News poll shows Cain at 20 percent, Paul at 19 percent, Romney at 18 percent and Gingrich at 17 percent among the likely attendees with the caucuses that start the nominating contests seven weeks away.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print...ay-republican-dead-heat-in-iowa-caucuses.html

 

As a Democrat, I join my librarian brothers in supporting Ron Paul for the GOP nominee.

 

3rd party people don't get on the ballot, don't get into the debates, don't get any media coverage. Paul's goal is to change the system from within. To make the two-party monopoly actually kinda sorta support...real people. If you don't get that much, well then you haven't researched Paul at all.

 

i wouldnt be so quick to accuse them of voting in their own "self-interest" - volunteering to join the military is one of the more self-less acts that an american can do. most of these people are very gung-ho about their job and if they truly believed in what they were doing they would support continuing it.

what is says to me is that there are alot of people in the military who are sick of our b.s. wars and foreign occupations and want to support candidates who share pauls view. granted, the number of military personnel contributing anything is probably very small, but it is a fact that many of those who are donating are very supportive of paul.

 

paul has consistently been in the top 4. i dont think his 90 seconds reflected his position in the polls.

 

you are right, but paul is playing the game the way its set up. the two parties have a monopoly on the electoral process and he has to work w/in that framework.

as soon as the republicans make their choice i suspect paul will go to the libertarians. he announced a few months ago that he is retiring from congress which means he no longer needs the republicans. if you read b/t the lines it seems like he will go 3rd party.

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep.../republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

His average polling puts him 5th, behind Romney, Cain, Perry, and Gingrich. Bachmann, in 6th, was once at the top, so that's why she still gets a lot of time. Each of those has led the field at some point, with Gingrinch just now joining that group after a long hiatus. Paul has never been anywhere in top tier of consideration by the GOP, which is why he doesn't get the same time as any of those.

But Paul should certainly be getting more time at this point than Santorum and Huntsman, neither of which should even be getting invited to debates anymore. His problem is that simply that he has shown, over 2 campaigns, that he has a realistic ceiling of about 10-15%, which can't win. All the other candidates have shown a much higher ceiling, making them theoretically viable contenders.

 

As I noted earlier the CBS Poll the day before the debate put him at 5%
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...-romney-gingrich/?tag=contentMain;contentBody

This was CBS' debate so it makes sense they would go by their own poll in regard to how much attention they paid to the candidates. It makes sense then that since Bachmann also did poorly in the poll shed didn't get much time allotted to her either.

I agree this seems like a deliberate attempt to by CBS to not give much attention to some candidates. That seems like it was based on polling though and not a conspiracy just to silence Ron Paul.

 

If Ron Paul can poll 15% of the general electorate he will get invited to debates and media attention.

 

"This poll was conducted by telephone from November 6-10, 2011 among 1,182 adults nationwide. 1,029 interviews were conducted with registered voters and 382 with voters who said they plan to vote in a Republican primary. Phone numbers were dialed from samples of both standard land-line and cell phones."

Telephone land line polls for Ron Paul are a waste of time. Most of his supporters are younger and don't have land lines. This is why they dominate the internet polls.

And there is also the idea that CBS is owned by Westinghouse, the country's 13th largest defense contractor....

 

Goofballs who like to vote 'boobs' on everything dominate internet polls.

 

1. Landline polls are generally adjusted to deal with cell phone biases. These are scientifically sound polls.

2. Ron Paul supporters dominate Internet polls because they vote over and over and over and over and flood the vote through organized means. These polls are not scientifically sound polls. They are like taking a Clutchfans poll without having to even link your result to a username: they are for entertainment purposes only.

Please never, ever discuss polls again if you're going to suggest an internet poll makes a case for Ron Paul. There's a reason his actual performance in real life voting matches the scientific polls and not the internet garbage.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/38743_Ron_Paulians_Spamming_Internet_Polls_(Again)

 

Who are you? Bill O'Reilly?

They dominate internet polls / youtube etc. because they are more internet savy. That is all.

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Landline polls are generally adjusted to deal with cell phone biases? These are scientifically sound polls?

The Pew Research Center disagrees:

The latest estimates of telephone coverage by the National Center for Health Statistics found that a quarter of U.S. households have only a cell phone and cannot be reached by a landline telephone. Cell-only adults are demographically and politically different from those who live in landline households; as a result, election polls that rely only on landline samples may be biased. Although some survey organizations now include cell phones in their samples, many -- including virtually all of the automated polls -- do not include interviews with people on their cell phones. (For more on the impact of the growing cell-only population on survey research, see "Assessing the Cell Phone Challenge," May 20, 2010).

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1761/cell-phones-and-election-polls-2010-midterm-elections

 

Umm, if a poll results are affected by the internet savviness of the respondents, it is by definition not scientifically sound. The whole point of a poll is a random sample - when your sample is not random, the whole thing falls apart; as it also does when you can vote over and over.

Do you really believe your internet polls are scientifically sound?

Yes and yes. The Pew Center is correct - if a poll does not account for its methodology, it would have some bias. Though they also calculate the level of the bias in the study linked from your link and it's only a few % points - which does nothing to move Ron Paul from 10% to 75%. But regardless, pollsters now try to adjust for that where possible. Most of the polling results you see are adjusted to reflect biases in the sample. For example, if you know 80% of the country is white, and your sample had 50% black people, and there is a significant difference in answers to the question by race, the pollster would adjust the results to account for that. This is all pretty basic polling science. More and more modern polls work to account for land/cell bias because they know the general demographics of cell phone only users.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/19/ron-paul-bad-lip-reading-video_n_1102995.html?ref=comedy

I think being ignored made hiim loose his mind

 

More than anyone else, I think Representatives get the bulk of their campaign funds from National Party coffers. So unless he wants to actually work for a living he's going to stay in the fold.