Thank you for the clarification. I know everyone makes mistake in his post sometimes. But wrongly accusing people of committing murder is very serious and I hope you will be more careful with your allegations next time.
The same thing was happening in Saipan, which is legally part of the US. There was a big scandal when they were keeping workers in slave like conditions making things that could be called "made in the USA". Convicted felons Tom Delay and Jack Abramoff were big on pushing moving industry to Saipan to get the "Made in American" label. Sexual and other abuse of maids was common, too. Prior to unions in Germany and the US and other countries ordinary factory workers were abused and in many cases sexually harassed. The problem in Dubai is a subset of what happens under unregulated i.e libertarian labor markets (I know in abstract theory, yada yada yada) without unions or law inspired by the organized working class. *********** Abramoff pocketed nearly $8 million from his contracts with Saipan between 1995 and 2001, according to the Northern Marianas' public auditor. And with the help of Tom DeLay (R-Texas) and others he accomplished his goal of keeping congressional hands off the commonwealth's sweatshops, despite a growing public outcry over the continuing abuse of immigrant workers. Between 1995 and 1998 — in testimony before Congress; in investigations by the Department of Labor and the Department of the Interior; in congressional fact-finding missions; and in numerous media accounts, including a report which aired on ABC's 20/20 as "The Shame of Saipan"-the mistreatment of nearly 18,000 workers in the Northern Marianas became widely known. The public and the nation's lawmakers heard tales of women forced to undergo abortions in order to keep their jobs, of women and young girls guaranteed jobs in the restaurant industry only to find that they would be working as prostitutes; of long hours with no overtime and illegally substandard pay; of foul living conditions and beatings and humiliations. In 1997, no doubt in partial response to these accounts, the Clinton administration wrote to the Marianas' elected leader, Governor Froilan Tenorio, that "certain labor practices in the islands ...are inconsistent with our country's values," and made mention of reforming the commonwealth's labor and immigration laws to bring them into line with those of the United States. Tom DeLay visited Saipan in for the New Years holiday 1997/1998 — at the invitation of Abramoff, whom DeLay called one of his "closest and dearest friends." DeLay's trip — which boasted luxury hotels, fine white-sand beaches and several premier golf courses — was paid for by the government of the Northern Marianas and was one of a number of junkets the government sprung for at the urging of Abramoff. When DeLay returned to Washington, he kept his promise to his clients in the Northern Marianas regarding federal regulation. Although the Senate in 1999 passed legislation that would have stipulated that any garment bearing a "Made in the U.S.A." label would have to be made by American workers, and more than 200 members of the House co-sponsored similar legislation the same year, the efforts were never made into law. Willie Tan, the Saipan garment giant was captured on hidden camera by by Global Survival Network saying that DeLay had effectively told him not to worry about the legislation. According to Tan, "[Delay] said, 'Willie, if they elect me majority whip, I make the schedule of the Congress, and I'm not going to put it on the schedule.' So Tom told me, 'Forget it, Willie. No chance.' " http://www.pbs.org/moyers/moyersonamerica/print/marianasclass_print.html
Sad + hilarious article, didn't really know where else to post it and didn't want to start a new thread. I must admit, the idea is brilliant. Since politicians in Europe are using fear to motivate people, he will make use of the fear that they are creating, essentially calling their bluff lol. "You're right, Islam is on the path to destroying you, better pay me to save you!!" Unfortunately he's a racist mad man. That's where it all fails.
Actually Qadafi is correct. Help the South develop or god luck trying to kill them as they move North. In the 21 st Century, with more modern transportation and communication, the borders won't hold if you try to keep the billions of folks in the South undeveloped and starving.
KSA is awful with this type of stuff. From the gardeners, street cleaners, to the maids. My Saudi neighbor had his maid cut their grass, and trim their bushes in their backyard with a pair of scissors. Not hedge clippers, but ~4inch scissors. It was roughly 105 outside and she was out there doing that. Disgusting. We ended up reporting them, which I believe they were fined for doing so. We tried to find her another sponsor, no way should a person have to endure such harsh treatments.
Most of the Middle East is awful with that stuff. Then again, so is India and Pakistan. (And I am sure many many other countries in Asia, Africa, and South America) Servitude is maybe worse than Slavery in many countries where there is a huge gap between the Rich and the Poor, and a lacking Middle Class.
Agreed. I'm not trying to single out KSA, but just putting that example from having seen it first hand. Every summer, when I lived in the KSA we would go out and hand out ice cold water / cokes to the gardeners (employed by a 3rd party paid by Aramco to work on the camp...not ones who work for expats [they make great money compared to the Aramco ones]). Also, we used to do the same to the soldiers / saudi security officials. Those guys sit in the back of a pick up behind a 50cal machine gun in 120 degrees. Crazy.
No. Do you? Silly me, of courseyou do not. He is Muslim. Do you think giving the proper aid to people in the South, who are not Muslim, might help?
It has nothing to do with him being muslim. In this case, I am pretty convinced that islam doesn't matter - he is basically a tribal gang lord. No. In contrast to you, I do not believe in a pseudo-communistic system of redistribution. It only leads to people getting complacent and picking up the free check. However, if by "proper aid" you mean giving them the fishing rod (and explaining how to use it) rather than handing them the fish, then we might agree.
If along with education and tools like fishing rods, you mean also giving them relief from free market ideology that goes beyond any rational use of markets, leading to oppression by those with the gold vs those without it than perhaps we can agree even more.
Sometimes depressing and sometimes inspiring, National Geographic had an article in this month's issue on the women of Afghanistan. Link As usual, the photo gallery is very, very good.
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/fifa-pledges-probe-qatar-2022-labour-issues-430500.html?tab=Article True, real and MASSIVE problem, but somewhat hilarious considering the head of FIFA is a corrupt and racist dog whose reign over FIFA is no different than that of Ben Ali over Tunisia. See here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...w-I-sorry-I-quitting-says-FIFA-president.html
If the D&D can have a thread where ATW and Mathloom can agree, then I think world peace does have a chance.
