In This Thread Every Post Must Contain A Lockout Update

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

Billy Hunter is a disaster. Everything he's done (or not done or has been too slow to move on-like accepting 50%) has destroyed the process.

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles...7/disclaimer-of-interest-reaction-player-x-qa

 

Ric Bucher mentioned on the BS Report with Simmons that some players who felt they should have had a vote on this proposal and didn't would sue Billy Hunter and the trade association for basically ruining their livelihood.

Scola was one of the vocal ones who wanted a vote.

 

A veteran? It's not Battier, Hill or Nash type of player because they doesn't use words like ****.

He has to play for either the Lakers or Clippers. My guess is it's probably Chris Kaman.

 

Not to mention that Battier probably memorized the NBA's proposal within minutes of it being available.

 

Mother****er, you don't know **** about the real Battier. He's the Wayne Brady of hoops.

 

LOLZ

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Thanks for taking the time out, laments terms was exactly what I needed. Few questions from what you posted:

Who gets to go up on stand? Just lawyers? NBA top execs plus Hunter and Fisher? Or do team reps, agents and owners get to stand too?

Do you know how the judge chooses a victor? What is the criteria for a decision based on? Will the judge actually look into the validity/legality of this lockout? And will the judge take a deeper look into the NBA's and all its team's financial records? Or does he already take Sterns words about losses as the holy truth and nothing but the truth?

Also what happens to all the minor and major issues like BRI, Hard/Soft Cap, MLE, player movement? Does the victor get to implement what ever they want?

Thanks again. Sorry if it sounds too lament.

 

Blake seems to deny reports that he wanted the deal; rather, he just wanted everyone to study the proposals and make appropriate choices.

 

Nope. thats Ron Artest. Ive heard him say alot of the same things in interviews before.

 

No Problem.

-First off the judge can call anyone who is a witness to the stand. That includes players, GM's, the guy serving beer in the front row. Basically anyone who is witness to hearing or being involved in something either side did or said that was illegal. Which is probably alot of folks

-Second, yes and yes. The judge will have full access to the leagues financial statements and Im sure the NBA has seen an audit in the past year or two, but they are sure to see one now if they havent in the past. With my background in accounting and finance I can tell you that it could take 3 or 4 months at least to audit the NBA if not longer. However, there financials are not what the players are sueing the NBA over so that shouldn't be the main issue, although it will be taken into account at some point.

-How does a jury claim a victor? Well in this case the NBA is either guilty or not. If they are, then the NBA will have to payback severe damages of lost wages back to the players which by the time this is overwith could equal 2 billion + if found guilty. As for the new CBA, I have no idea how a judge would draw up a fair deal with as much complexity that is taken into account in this deal. That part I have no idea on.

That being said, the players and their lawyers fully expect that the NBA will settle before they go to court, otherwise they probably wouldnt go this route and for sure lose the season and possibly next.

David Boies, the new lawyer for the players, is not only expecting a settlement on these issues, but is anticipating the judge to allow the NBA to claim that the "Boycott" not lockout, is illegal and that the NBA has to allow their players to go back to work immediately. If the judge agrees with Boies, then the NBA players should be back on the court sometime mid December with games starting around mid January. Given its going to take 3 to 4 weeks to get a judge to review this boycott.

Even if the judge rules this "Boycott" illegal, there still is no new CBA, which I assume would force the owners to extend out the old CBA in the meantime. I could be wrong about the last part, but thats what I am assuming.

Hope that helps explain whats going on a little better. Im sure more details will come out once they get this in front of a judge. Just cross your fingers that the judge rules this as an "Illegal Boycott" of the players.

 

To bad he did not even get that. Billy Hunter screwed him and the union let him down.

 

A few factors that may occur. The NBA still has the lawsuit pending to void all contracts. If a judge says the lockout is illegal but the owners win the other case then all NBA players would be free agents. I think players like Kobe and Lebron would see $50 M plus in salary but Boozer, Ariza and others like that will lose alot of money.

Also if the judge decides the lockout is illegal and the NBA losses its lawsuit to void all contracts then the NBA would probably just open for business and negotiate a settlement with the NBAPA.

The one factor here is the NBA can cancel the season at anytime. Say they feel they will lose in court they could simply cancel the season in mid December.

Alot of factors to be decided the first and most important is venue for the hearings. If it is moved to the 2nd court in New York the owners probably feel pretty good about their odds. If it stays in California then not so good.

 

And we expect the judge to rule this way because it worked so well for the players in the NFL.

 

If/when the season is lost, I wouldn't be surprised if several players turn around and sue Billy Hunter for breach of fiduciary duty for how badly he botched this whole mess, especially for refusing to allow his clients to fully review and vote on the owners' proposal.

 

Considering the player's lawyer is the same one who won the NFL v Brady case for the NFL owners, I assume he thinks the player's have a case. I don't think David Boies needs money needs money enough to take on losing cases.

But to answer your question: This is indeed a different case given the differences in timing. It was obvious the NFL was still negotiating with the players, and the players were using decert as a negotiating tool. That's not the case with the NBA. Stern put out a take it or leave it ultimatum, which means he stopped negotiating. If you read up, this is a key point why NFL v Brady is different, and ultimately why they lost. Plus, another key point is NFL v Brady was ruled in the most conservative district court in the US. The Players filed in California...lol

 

Yes yes yes!!! More than anyone else (yes, even Stern), Billy Hunter's name should be MUD after this is finished. He completely failed.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/33329810

Samuels: NBA Players "panicking" over lost wages

 

But the NBA has already filed in New York. I'm sure the first battle will be what court hears the case. It's been my experience that once the case is filed in one court it's very difficult to get the case transferred. I believe the players association has an uphil battle to have the case tried outside of New York. And even if it is tried in California and owners are ordered to end the lock out, the owners will take it to the supreme court like just like the NFL did. There will not be a quick end to this and the players are not going to like how it ends. Remember, the NFL was originally being tried in Minny and those courts are extremely pro union.

And BTW, the NBA will argue that they were not ending negotiations but only moving their offer back to the previous offer to compensate the owners for lost money. The union will argue that Jeffery Kesslers threats to decertify, while ilagal as a negotiating tactic, was merly rhetoric and posturing. If pushed in a corner, the NBA can make the same argument about stern's take it or leave it deadline.

Bottom line is that this is not going to be black and white like you may want but instead is almost all grey area. As a result this is going to be a very long drawn out process and if it ever actually gets to trial you can start thinking about kissing next season goodbye as well.