In This Thread Every Post Must Contain A Lockout Update

I hope that rule that players have to be 20 y/o to be drafted is tossed out. That would really hurt the draft this year.

 

i think the hollywood film business is an apt comparison to make, and there are dozens of flop movies that come out every year that never break even for the producers - while the actors still get paid market value

 

And if the actor sucks and the film flops the studio is not obligated to pick them up for the next movie or continue paying for the next several years.

Regardless Etan was reaching out to the general public as has many other players trying to gain our sympathy and support for the hardships that they somehow think we don't have to go through. That makes them way out of touch and just proves what a privalidged life they have.

 

Yeah, It would remove arguably the top two prospects in the 2012 draft, PF Anthony Davis and C Andre Drummond.

Although it wouldn't remove all the top freshmen from the draft, SF Quincy Miller and SG Austin Rivers would still be eligible under the new rule.

 

this isn't entirely true.....it's quite common for movie studios to sign an actor on to make several films in an upfront agreement for compensation. the same goes for bookwriters with publishing companies. the companies do this because it often works out to their financial benefit as well, in that they get to lock in the 'worker' at a fixed known cost and also possibly avoid future inflation that may arise due to market forces or simply the 'worker's' increased intrinsic value. we see this all the time from NBA GM's (especially morey) trying to secure long-term contracts at what is perceived as good value for the future

 

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I think it seems their strategy is to fix a system that is sinking the league.

And the players do not want to recognize this.

I wish the players would actually stop to think........

DD

 

Whatever. The actors and book writers are not trying to insult the common man by trying to convince us of the many hardships they are having to endure. And how many spare actors and book writers make millions with garunteed contracts that garuntee millions for many years. I'm guessing the Etan Thomas's of the acting and book writing world are just getting by and not garunteed millions.

Does the average actor make 5.7 million a year? I'm guessing the average actor salary is lucky to even be 100 grand a year and probably far less.

How about this, start you own business and then you can control all you want.

 

why don't you feel insulted just the same by the owners who have been crying about their finances (in most cases fictitiously, since they are not really losing money) through the media?

nba level skills are far more rare, hence the big bucks

 

As per the latest NYT article, a 12% reduction in rookie and minimum deals (which wasn't in the last proposal). As far as I can tell, that change would far and away affect more players than any other change.

I think the players should probably accept this proposal (with all "B" list issues--such as age limits and D-League issues--to be negotiated afterwards).

Just saying, though.

 

There is no reason that both owners and players should not be able to make millions. For a decade teams have lost millions while players have averaged millions regardless of if they are a spare like Etan Thomas. Yet the players do not want to share the profits with the owner. Plus it's the players and their reps that are complaining of poor working conditions and unfair treatment not the owners. Furthermore when someone envests the amount of money as it takes to buy an NBA team they should not have to choose between making a profit and consistently fielding a team with a legit chance of winning a championship.

The big bucks are far more rare hence the extra sacrifice the players should be willing to make. If I'm paying someone that much money I'm certainly not expecting a lot of whining and crying about unfair treatment, especially when they are making millions from the business and I'm not.

There is a lot of NBA caliber talent in the playgrounds in Houston, NYC, LA and Philly that are living hand to mouth. I cheer for the team way before the player.

 

The actors do not have guaranteed multiyear or picture contracts.

DD

 

As far as I can tell, the new CBA will limit what the Lakers can pay Steve Blake but will do nothing to prevent the Heat from dumping salaries and to get Lebron and Bosh. Seems the owners are focusing on the wrong thing if what they want is parity.

 

A paruty deal would be far worse, i think Stern has convinced the owners that a true parity deal would not work, so at least with this deal they can make a profit.

DD

 

I just think the owners are trying to share in the profits and allow for all teams to have an equal chance to compete. I can't find fault in that.

The players are all about me, me, me and look at poor millionaire me. I can't support that.

 

wrong. johnny depp's compensation, for instance, was in such a format for the 'pirates' movies. and this doesn't just apply to movies, but also most tv series (seinfeld, friends, 24 for example) as well. now that you know how this works, maybe you can negotiate with clutch for some guaranteed multiyear rep going forward :grin:

 

i understand your point-of-view, but the thing is i'm not really convinced that the owners have not been sharing in the profits. they haven't opened their books up to the union as far as i know (and i guess this is their prerogative since they are private entities).

i think part of the reason players are so overwhelmingly blamed for this lockout is because the fans simply know them better and can put a face on problem to direct the blame at. except for mark cuban, i doubt the average fan could even name much less identify more than 3 owners off the top of their head. and sadly, another reason the players are getting flack is because they are majority black. i've heard so many people in the past couple months tell me how sickened they are that "these tattooed kids from the projects should be happy they're getting paid anything at all"

 

Johnny Depp is the Kobe Bryant of acting. How much does the Etan Thamas's of acting make?

I personally dont care if the most spare NBA player averages 20 million a year. Just don't expect the publics support when you start crying poor poor millionaire me. Furthermore when there is enough money in the pot for every owner and player to make millions don't expect me to support your position when you don't want to fairly share the profits with the owners. Go play on a playground for a living and see what your life and work conditions are like.

 

Ross Perot has been trying to sue Mark Cuban for years due to mismanagement because the Mavs have lost money every year since Cuban has owned the team even though the stadium is always full. Cubans defense has been, it's just the cost of having a competitive team year in and year out. This is a matter of public record.

 

Interesting you mention Kobe. He was one of the players that would actually accept this deal according to numerous reports.