In This Thread Every Post Must Contain A Lockout Update

Supposedly Billy Hunter will put the deal up for a vote to the players on Monday. I'm too lazy to grab the link on twitter.

 

I pray they accept this.

We need this nonsense to end.

I WANT BASKETBALL!

 

I pray they don't accept it, just for the sake of fans that want them to so they can get basketball. I can survive a few more months without Basketball while hoping the players get a deal that's somewhat fair.

 

The thing is if they don't accept it, they would then likely file for decertification, and then you can just kiss the whole season good bye.

 

excellent, especially #'s 10 and 11...

 

I have zero problem doing that. The issue is what will their odds be when it goes to court and it seems it will only be marginally better with regards to a better deal with more amenable system points-midlevel, etc.

 

Wojnarowski: Amazing The Ability Of The NBA To Pit Public Against Players





Don't be fooled... Oh wait, you already were...

 

What is fair and why?

An NBA team is not a fast food franchise:

1. A fast food franchise does not have to compete with other franchises for their star employees.
2. What a fast food franchise sells is not its ability to beat other franchises in a tournament.

 

Good stuff from Etan Thomas... Great insight into the NBPA and the 1 percent...

 

Oh, so now the players are part of the OWS movement? First it was plantation owners and now it's evil CEOs. How cute. How utterly ridiculous. The players are part of the 1% just like the owners. Asking fans to take a side in this is insulting, because neither side deserves our support. And why is it that players only seem concerned with what fans think when they need something from us?



More info on what might happen Monday

http://sheridanhoops.com/2011/11/12/lockout-update-player-reps-to-meet-monday/

 

In general, NBA players are fantastic with the community and the fans compared to other sports.

Dikembe Mutombo is at the forefront, but it is amazing how many players help so many people. NBA Cares is just a fantastic program.

"The NBA Cares Community Caravan is a year-long community and fan engagement program through which the NBA Family will reach more than 10,000 schools and community-based organizations and touch the lives of more than 15 million fans through 2012"

"Launched in October of 2005, NBA Cares, through the teams, current and former players, and the league office, has contributed 302,000 hours of hands-on service to the community, raised more than $50 million for charity, and created 171 places where kids and families can live, learn or play."

 

i agree, this exactly why nba players are compensated so heavily - they are THE product the nba owners are selling. and these collective bargaining labor agreements with the union are simply artificial quasi-price-fixing agreements to keep nba franchises from really having to compete against each other and pay the players their true market values. for instance, which owner wouldn't pay lebrick or wade or howard $40M/year right now if he had the chance to?

if decertification does ever go through and stern does indeed void all contracts like he's already threatened, then the owners will have to start paying real market values even in excess of what they were paying a decade back (when even the juwan howard's were getting $100M contracts). the league as a whole IS NOT losing money and even otherwise regarding individual franchises it is highly suspect that any are really losing money (they have simply been employing accounting gimmicks such as amortization to feign losses). this lockout has been nothing more than a squeeze on labor to further profit margins and allow certain incompetent owners to continue operating their franchises ineptly going forward

 

Some owners are incompetent, but the economy has tanked, and so have some of their local revenues.

And when business is down, owners have to cut back, not sure why the players are finding this so hard to understand.

DD

 

The problem with some of his points are that you cannot compare an NBA Franchise to a fast food restaurant or some other general entity. This is a whole different ball game. In addition why does he keep quoting the 1% moniker and mentioning all the people struggling to keep their jobs ? Doesn't he realize that he is one of the main culprits as to why many of the people that work at these arenas are out of a job.

 

this is a labor lockout, not a labor strike

 

[rquoter]The league also proposed raising the minimum team salary to 90 percent of the salary cap by the 2013-14 season, which should increase spending by the more frugal franchises.

One of the N.B.A.’s new demands does leap out: a call for a 12 percent reduction in rookie and minimum-scale contracts, cutting them to 2007-8 levels.

The speculation about teams losing “Bird” rights seems to be based on a misreading of one particular provision governing teams that move into the luxury tax. The simple explanation is that if a team is going to cross the tax threshold using multiple exceptions, it has to sign its “Bird” player first. [/rquoter]
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/13/s...abound-regarding-final-nba-proposal.html?_r=1

Seems like this new offer really is better, not worse.

I'm not gonna call the players dumb if they reject it, but it certainly would be risky.

 

More new wrinkles:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/stars-will-still-shoot-for-big-cities-1.3317563

 

I have yet to see one player say the new offer is better, and they have seen it. Doesn't mean it won't pass since they may be getting desperate, but my guess is it's not a better offer.

It seems like the owners strategy still revolves around the players breaking, but Stern seems to be going for the overkill when he can get a win and it may piss these guys off and backfire.

 

What provision(s) in the new offer is worse than the old one?

 

There was nothing intellegent about that post. Reading it did nothing but make me realize just how out of touch and privileged even a spare like Etan Thomas is.

Most of his "how would you like it" questions show just how out of touch NBA players are with the real world.

I hate to enlighten you Etan but in the real world your boss can fire you any time your job performance falls below except able standards and for a mariad of other reasons.

You would surely be disenchanted Etan when you found out that your salary is not garunteed and when you were fired the pay stops instead of continuing for multiple years.

You want us to blame the owners for not slashing the pay of GM's or don't sell the team for bad management? You work in the only business where the majority of owners lose money while the rank and file make millions. In the real world when the owners and managing partners are losing money the rank and file employees take a pay cut.


There is plenty money for the owners (all of them) to make a healthy profit and all of you spoiled whiny ass over privalidged players to continue to make millions but your so greedy you think you deserve so much that no one but the players should make a profit.

In the real world when our company wants to move our jobs we have to move with it. We don't have any more control over where we live than you do. I've had my job moved multiple times in the last couple of decades but you know what? That's just life. At least you can afford to have multiple homes in multiple parts of the country and multiple months off to enjoy it. In the real world you likely don't get more than two weeks off a year and could not realistically afford a second home anyway.

Most of us could care less that you live a life of luxury, but when you pretend that your life is one of hardship and sacrifice you insult us all.

Don't try to gain our sympathy by asking the "what would you do" or "how would you like it" questions because you clearly just don't know. Etan you are whiny, spoiled, over compensated, over privivalidged and the current owners proposal keeps you that way. The more your try to win us over to your side by crying about the horrible and unfair working conditions you are forced to work to endure the further away you push us and the more you alienate yourself from the common man.

The more you tweet, post or write the more I hope the owners crush you.