In This Thread Every Post Must Contain A Lockout Update

I don't care or have sympathy for either side, but if they think it's worse than the last one, pretty stupid for them to think if they 'hold out' or don't accept now, it will get better later on, whenever later on may be.

 

JerryZgoda Jerry Zgoda
#Timberwolves player rep Anthony Tolliver returns to NYC for Monday's 9 a.m. (NYC time) meeting with union executive board

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Via @JerryZgoda, @TheNBPA player reps will meet in New York at 9 a.m. Monday to consider league's revised proposal

 

According to numerous reports all players think this is worst than before?

How so? Virtually all of this issues have been at least tweaked in favor of the players. How is 3 million per year worse than 2.5? Or how is allowing S&T for tax payers for 1st 2 years worst than no S&T for tax paying teams at all? etc.

I just don't understand.

They really need all 400+ players packed in some ball room and make them vote privately to see were they really are. Forget this team rep garbage.

I would love to see what is going on in the minds of some of these players.

 

It was taken out of the revised proposal. Stupid Bucher just trying to get more followers.

 

Okay, all these stupid players like Granger just need to be quiet. The reps are not even meeting until Monday? Wasn't the deal going to be revealed to them then?

All these agents and everyone is putting out misinformation, red herrings, and trying color something they don't know any of the specifics about in order to make the players feel they have to reject this thing before they even really look and talk about it.

Players need to tell their Agents to STFU and sit in the corner.

 

They need to have a gag order in affect that STFU and don't say anything to the media or on your twitter until Monday or Tuesday.

 

Looking like another meeting how u

 

Decertification, no breathing!
Don't give a **** if I cut my arms bleeding!

 

I want you people crushed. Disgusting.

 

Players have a secret weapon!

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/play_of_the_zeke_NgFlatcdg5Vc76DKNuBNuK

:grin:

 

Hide your kids hide your wife hide your husbands cuz Isiah is rapen everybody out here.

 

Sounds like a bunch of roosters puffing out their chest feathers.

 

On ESPN.com right now, Stern just said that if the players decertify that it will void all of the guaranteed contracts which require a union to be in effect.

Is that true? Does anyone know?

That could be exactly what the league is wanting.....for the Union to decertify and they get to reset the entire thing.

Heck, I wanted them to decertify in the summer but if it voids the contracts, that would be amazingly stupid.

And it would mean the players had best accept the deal as it sits...if they decertify, the owners could just say....well....sorry....

DD

 

It's false according to what I've heard.

Stern spewing bull****

 

Link and story:

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/33244688

NBA commissioner David Stern's talking points have crystallized: the league has officially made its best offer to the players, the 2011-2012 season rests in the hands of the NBPA, the possibility of a canceled season is unthinkable, and the potential decertification of the union is a negotiating tactic that will backfire on the agents who are reportedly pushing for it.

During a nationally-televised ESPN interview on Friday night, Stern laid out his arguments, point by point, explaining first why he chose to extend the deadline on the league's current offer past its original date of Wednesday.

"Well, we stopped the clock so that we could negotiate," Stern said, "and we came out of last night with a proposal [that is] as far as the owners could possibly reach to the players. That [proposal] provides a 72-game season starting Dec. 15. I'm very, very hopeful that the players and the union will say 'yes, let's have the season, let's begin it on Dec. 15.'"

Stern characterized the current proposal as possessing the largest concessions the NBA plans to make.

"The owners have moved to wherever they are going to move to," Stern said. "This is the proposal that's on the table. If it's not accepted, then we'll be substituting the proposal [with one] that the union knows about when the clock starts again, and it will be very far from where this proposal is."

The fall-back proposal is said to include a 47 percent revenue share for the players -- down from 50 percent contained in the current proposal -- and a flex cap system.

NBPA president Derek Fisher said on Thursday that the owners' current proposal doesn't do enough to compensate the players on system issues for their potential $3 billion concession on the revenue split, thus opening up the possibility of a lost season.

Stern would have none of that.

"I refuse to contemplate the loss of a season," he said. "It's going to be too painful for the players and the owners alike. But [if it happened] we'll still be here, we'll pick up the pieces and do the best we can under the circumstances. That's not an eventuality that I anticipate or look forward to. It's all in the hands of the players."

For months, player agents have been pushing for the decertification of the union, a cry that drew more support following Thursday's negotiating session, when it became clear that the NBA's current offer was not substantially better than its previous one, which was rejected by an NBPA group meeting on Tuesday. Stern said the threat of decertification is a strategic ploy that would jeopardize the 2011-2012 season.

"[it's a move] actually calculated to, one, [serve] as a tactic to improve their bargaining position and, two, as making it even more likely that there won't be a season," Stern said.

If the union did decertify, Stern predicted the move would backfire.

"If the union is not in existence, then neither are 4 billion dollars worth of guaranteed contracts that are entered into under condition that there's a union, Stern said. "So if the agents insist on playing with fire, my guess is that they would get themselves burned."

Asked if the NBA would employ "scab" players if the NBPA decertificed, Stern said simply: "I don't want to go there now."

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Wow, if this is true....the players really have a lot to think about.

DD

 

Although it sucks not having any basketball, this back and forth between Stern and the union is kinda cool. Stern is holding his own out there.:grin:
Threatening to mess with their money? That did it.

 

If that is true, trust me, won't be no thinking.

 

The Nba is insane if they think their trump card to stop desertification is voiding contracts.

No Union = No lockout

No Contracts = Every one is a free agent.


With no CBA their is no Cap certainty and no draft.

Franchises would set the pay role and pay players what every they wanted.

Their would be a massive biding war for top players with no ceiling in place.

Small markets think the gulf between the have and have not's is large now they have not seen anything if the players De-certify and the league voids contracts.

Believe me when the players De-certify contracts will NOT be voided by the league. For every Bad contract you void their are 5 good ones that are under value that get voided right along with the bad ones.

You can't pick in choose.

Regardless what owners want the public to believe there are more high value contracts then bad ones in the NBA as a whole.

 

I believe you are incorrect, I believe the league (which is one company with different divisions) would institute a hard cap system that is much worse financially for players.

Can you imaging a guy that was making $3 million a year only now making 200k?

I mean the owners could seriously lower the cap ala the NHL....even worse....

DD