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Harvard Econ Student Walk Out to Protest Propaganda Approach to Econ 101

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  1. glynch

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    It is about time. For about 30 years or so the teaching of economics has been slanted by Koch and other .1 percenters endowing chairs of "free" eneterprise to spread the Gospel of Economics for the One Percent.


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    Harvard Students Stage Walkout in OWS-Like Protest
    Intro econ class walks out, criticizes professor as favoring the rich.
    By Will Oremus | Posted Tuesday, Nov. 8, 2011, at 9:39 AM ET
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    Roughly 70 Harvard students walked out of an introductory economics class last week to protest what they saw as biased teachings
    Photograph by Joe Raedle/Getty Images.
    The Occupy Wall Street movement has landed at Harvard University, where some 70 students walked out of an introductory economics class last week to protest what they saw as biased teachings.

    The students explained their walkout in an open letter to professor Greg Mankiw posted on the website of the Harvard Political Review. "Today, we are walking out of your class, Economics 10, in order to express our discontent with the bias inherent in this introductory economics course," they wrote. "We are deeply concerned about the way that this bias affects students, the University, and our greater society."

    NPR’s Morning Edition covered the kerfuffle, suggesting that the students objected to the class partly because of Mankiw’s résumé. He served as an adviser to President George W. Bush and is now advising the campaign of Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney. He has also criticized the Occupy Wall Street protests and warned against the "politics of envy."

    Ironically, Mankiw said he was lecturing on income inequality on the day the students walked out.

    Students who participated in the walkout wrote in the open letter that they had hoped to be presented with a balanced view of economics in a required introductory course. "Instead, we found a course that espouses a specific—and limited—view of economics that we believe perpetuates problematic and inefficient systems of economic inequality in our society today. There is no justification for presenting Adam Smith’s economic theories as more fundamental or basic than, for example, Keynesian theory
    http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011...walk_out_on_greg_mankiw_economics_class_.html
     
  2. sealclubber1016

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    College kids are college kids, you can't take them seriously. They are always looking for anyway to protest or rebel, or just in general look for attention.

    Case in point the Paterno firing, no real good reason to protest, but hell why not.

    The class they were looking for is socialism 101.
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    Yeah, cause Harvard students are known to go apes**t at the drop of a hat, right?
     
  4. glynch

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    Yeah, just like OWS is only about a bunch of dirty hippies who need to get jobs and it will get no traction with the 99%. You and Herman Caine etc. can only hope so.
     
  5. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Rather than walk out in protest, shouldn't they have stayed in class and engaged in discussion pointing out where the professor's teaching was flawed?
     
  6. juicystream

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    Mankiw wrote my Econ books for my Macro and Micro classes. I'm not really sure how they can deem it biased. Harvard is obviously a different animal than what I had, but this was still an introductory course. The basic principles of economics apply regardless. This isn't a course that teaches trickle down economics.
     
  7. RedRedemption

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    Here's the thing about a debate.
    Both sides just end up in the same view they started in, the difference is they are just pissed off now.
    It wouldn't have done any good.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    I doubt this was ironic so much as intentional.
     
  9. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I have found that the vast majority of spirited debates I have been involved in have, at the very least, been interesting and informative. In the end, my view may not have changed, but it was more clear to me as to what the other side's view was and why.

    There should be nothing wrong with hearing different points of view expressed respectfully and intelligently.
     
  10. weslinder

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    ...and this is why no one should take them seriously.
     
  11. RedRedemption

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    That's the part that rarely happens.
     
  12. what

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    It's a good protest.

    But in reality, to think that universities leanings, are fair and balanced is naive at best.

    You should already know what slant your university leans toward BEFORE you apply to it.
     
  13. B-Bob

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    Even better, you should understand that, except for a few extremes (maybe Evergreen on one side and Bob Jones U on the other, for instance), universities don't have slants. Certain professors do, yes. They often have many different slants and varieties in a single department, believe me. That's why they're professors; they don't march lock-step to anything or anyone.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    They should actually finish the class and realize that Adam Smith is a lot more like keynes than he is like Hayek.
     
  15. justtxyank

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    It's about time some students protested at Harvard! That bastion of conservatism needs to be broken! Force them FINALLY hire liberal minds instead of the neo-cons that plague that university!
     
  16. what

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    You don't think universities themselves have slants that a majority of the professors hired adhere to?

    Really?

    :confused::confused:
     
  17. Major

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    You're assuming he's simply teaching the book, though. As noted, he's a critic of OWS and a big Mitt Romney supporter - maybe all his examples use Dem ideas to illustrate bad economics and deregulation as an example of great economics? There are all sorts of possibilities here - without being in the class, we have no idea if he was biased or not.

    You assume that the professor has any interest in a discussion as opposed to just lecturing. The class has at least 70 students so facilitating a discussion may not be part of his methods.

    There's simply too much we don't know here. Really, I'm not sure why this is even news at this point - a walkout by a bunch of 18 or 19 yr olds in a college intro class is just not that big a deal.
     
  18. Dubious

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    We are really going to need a sarcasm punctuation mark going forward, because sometimes I can't tell. Maybe three or more smiley faces :):):)
     
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  19. DonkeyMagic

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    this may be the most whiny generation ever.

    It's a freaking introductory course. If you want to further you knowledge in other economics field, feel free to do so with more classes.

    Every professor has their own personal preference and teaches with some kind of favoritism.
     
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  20. Johndoe804

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    Bull****! I got my degree in economics, and I can tell you all, from my experience, that the standard curriculum emphasizes the Keynesian approach of government interventionism, the incentive-based economy, and inflationary monetary policy. Granted, this approach does help the rich profit from the boom-bust cycle it creates, it is anything but a free market approach.
     

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