Penn State coach, AD, VP charged in child rape case

Yes but also weigh that up with the fact that he's the one who broke news of the possible charges MONTHS before it went down.

http://www.timesonline.com/columnis...cle_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html

Madden may be right or wrong but I wouldn't discredit him at the moment. I wouldn't put too much weight on the reports from today but I won't ignore it as sensationalist crap either.

 

More Foul Play?

 

funniest thing i have seen on the interweb all week

 

You are aware he wrote this article in april right?

http://www.timesonline.com/columnis...cle_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html

 

That doesn't change who he is.

 

I didn't find the Grand Jury testimony to be very damning for Joe Paterno, but certainly for the school. Even though the Grand Jury called the GA's testimony extremely credible, there were 4 others that were involved in discussions involving the GA's description of what occurred, and not one of them said anal sex was ever mentioned. I'm inclined to believe they knew of inappropriate behavior, but did not know (though they should have considered it possible) that he had raped a child.

Paterno obviously should have done things differently. Maybe he was trying to protect his friend, or maybe he was trying to just ignore the situation, and forget about it.

The similarity in all those testimonies makes this a slam dunk for the prosecution. Only way it could be easier is with DNA or video evidence. It is amazing he wasn't caught 10 years ago. And that these victims would continue to spend the night with him, and allow these things to happen is amazing to me.

I wish they could cut his penis off and let him bleed to death. Definitely shouldn't see the outside of a prison wall ever again.

 

Can Joe Pa end up in Jail also after all is set and done?

 

That Kim Jones interview is sickening. She brought up a good point when talking about the 2007 closed practice Sandusky attended with a child, something that obviously would have been seen by Mcqueary. After seeing the 2002 rape, and now again you see this sick freak with another child you still don't say anything? This story is just continuing to get more and more f***ed up.

 

Yes, if they charge him with Rico or racketeering.....by protecting Penn State over the victims.....covering it up etc.

DD

 

For tl;dr below: Sounds like one big game of telephone and/or one big cover-up of it all. You tell me, I'll tell him, he'll tell him, so on and so forth. But no one tells or reports it to the police. And all those guys, especially Schultz and Curley, just absolute scumbags in my opinion.

Telephone: GA sees it. He's distraught. GA calls his father. Father and GA tell Paterno. Paterno tells Tim Curley(AD). GA tells Curley and Gary Schultz and they assure the GA they'll look into in and see what actions to take.(Imagine that, not one of them bother to call the police). They "take away" his keys to the locker room and advise Sandusky he is not use Penn St. facilities with youth around and prohibited from using Penn St. facilities with young kids.(Curley and GA later testify that Sandusky was never banned from any facilities and Curley admits the ban not to bring kids was unenforceable.) Curley and Schultz give false testimony. All in all, it was never reported to the police(blame all and/or whoever you want for that) and Curley and Schultz had no intentions of reporting it the police.

Spoiler

"He(GA) saw a naked boy, victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught."

GA then went to his office to call his father, telling him what he saw. Father told his son(the GA) to leave and come home. The GA and his father decided they had to promptly report what he had seen to Coach Paterno. The next morning, a Saturday, the GA telephoned Paterno and went to Paterno's house to tell him what he saw.

Paterno testified to recieving the GA's report at his home. He also testified the GA was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley(Penn State AD and Paterno's superior) to his home the next day(Sunday) and reported what the GA saw.

~1 1/2 weeks later, the GA was called into a meeting with Curley(AD) and Senior VP for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The GA told them what he had seen(or believed to seen, Sandusky having anal sex in the showers at Lasch Building). Curley and Schultz assured the GA they would look into it and determine what actions to take. Paterno was not present at this meeting.

Fast forward a few weeks later, the GA hears back from Curley. Curley tells him that Sandusky's keys were taken away(to the lockerroom) and they reported it to 2nd Mile. GA was never questioned by University Police and no other entity conducted an investigation until he testified in 2010

Curley testifies that the GA reported to them "inappropriate conduct" and denied that the GA reported anything sexual of any kind and denied that the GA reported 'anal sex between Sandusky and the victim' and termed the conduct merely as "horsing around".

Curley also testifies that he reported the info to 2nd Mile's Executive Director and he met with Sandusky to advise him that he was prohibited from bringing youth onto the Penn St. campus from that point forward.

Curley also testifies that he met again with the GA to tell him that Sandusky has been advised not to use Penn St. athletic facilities with young people and the "information" had been given to 2nd Mile.

Curley testified he gave the info he recieved from the GA(and the steps taken as a result of that) to University President Graham Spanier.

Spanier testified to his approval of the approach taken by Curley. Curley did not report the info to University Police, the police agency for University Park campus, or any other police agency.

Schultz testified he was called into a meeting with Paterno, in which Paterno reported "inappropriate" and "disturbing" conduct in the shower by Sandusky, as reported by the GA. Schultz was in a subsequent meeting when the GA reported the info in the shower involving Sandusky and the victim. Schultz was unsure about remembering what the GA had told him and Curley. He testified that he was under the impression that Sandusky might have inappropriately grabbed the young boy's genitals while wrestling and agreed that that was inappropriate sexual conduct between a boy and a man. While equivocating on the definition of sexual, Schultz conceded the report the GA made was of inappropriate sexual conduct by Sandusky. Schultz testified that the allegations were not that serious and he and Curley had no indications a crime had occurred. Schultz agreed that sodomy between Sandusky and the victim was inappropriate sexual conduct but denied that he received such conduct reported him by either Paterno or the GA.

Schultz testified that he and Curley agreed that Sandusky was to be told not to bring any 2nd Mile kids into the football building and he believed he and Curley asked the "Child protection agency" to look into matter. He also testified he knew about an investigation of Sandusky in 1998 and believed this same agency was investigating the report of the GA in 2002. Schultz acknowledged similarities between the 1998 and 2002 allegations. Schultz testified the 1998 incident was reviewed by University Police and the "child protection agency" with the blessing of the UNiversity counsel Wendell Courtney. Schultz confirmed that President Graham Spanier was apprised in 2002 that a report of the incident involving Sandusky and a child in the showers on campus had been reported by an employee. Schultz testified that Spanier approved the decision to ban Sandusky from bringing kids into the locker room and the decision to advise 2nd Mile of the incident.

Schultz never reported the 2002 incident to University Police or any other police agency, never sought or reviewed a 1998 police report, and never attempted to learn the identity of the child in the shower in 2002. No one from the university did so. Schultz did not ask the GA for specifics. No one ever did. Schultz was surprised the 1998 investigation produced a lengthy police report. Schultz said there was never any discussion between him and Curley about turning the 2002 incident over to any police agency.

Spanier testifed that Curley and Schultz came to him in 2002 to report an incident with Sandusky that made one of Curley's staff members uncomfortable. Spanier described it as "Sandusky in the football building locker area in the shower with a young child and they were 'horsing around'. Spanier testified that even in April 2011 he didnt know the identity of the staff member who reported the behavior. Spanier denied it was reported to him as an incident that was sexual and acknowledge Curley and Schultz had no plans to report the matter to any law enforcement agency, the COmmonwealth of Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare or any appropriate county child protective services. Spanier also denied being aware of a 1998 investigation involving Sandusky and children in football showers.

Records reveal the 2002 incident was never reported to any officials.

Sandusky holds(held?) emeritus status with Penn St, which gives him all-access to recreational facilities, a parking pass, access to a Penn St account for the internet, listing in the faculty directory, faculty discounts at the bookstore and educational privledges for himself and eligible dependents. These were negotiated when Sandusky retired in 1999. He continued to use facilities as per his retirement agreement. As a retired coach, he had unlimited access to football facilities, including the locker rooms. Schultz testified Sandusky retired when Paterno felt it was time to make a coaching change and also take advantage of an advanced retirement benefit under Sandusky's state pension.

The GA and Curley testified Sandusky was never banned from any Penn St. buildings and Curley admitted the ban on Sandusky not bringing kids to the facilities was unenforceable .

The Grand Jury finds that portions of Schultz and Curley's testimony are not credible. An oral report should have been made but none was made. Nor was there any attempt to investigate, identify victim 2, or to protect that child from similar conduct, except as related to preventing its re-occurrence on university property. Grand Jury also finds that Schultz made materially false statements under oath, relating to the 2002 incident that the allegations made were not that serious and he and Curley had no idea that a crime had occurred.

 

So, does Penn stand for Pennsylvania or Penis?

 

Ho ho ho!

I'm glad you ventured into the thread for that bombshell of a joke!

Hardy har har!

 

The only guy I have a modicum of sympathy for (that isn't one of the victims) is McQueary. That would be a terrible position to be in when you're 28 and trying to start your career in coaching, granted he made the wrong decision, but damn... I can't imagine what was going through his mind. Probably went into denial/shock over the whole thing. It takes a lot of guts to be a whistleblower. I'd like to think we'd all do the right thing and intervene or at the very least get the police involved, but we're human and we screw up. There was simply no possible good ending for McQueary once he saw what he saw. But the fact that he sat on it for so long is very damning... I could see hesitating for a little while, letting your mind sort it out, summoning up the courage, and coming to terms with it. But you lose the benefit of the doubt when you turn a blind eye to something for that long, regardless of whether you're in a position of power/responsibility.

 

Just heard Heath Evans (who runs a foundation for children that are the victims of sexual abuse) going off about this on Michelle Beadle's podcast. A good listen.

 

BS!

Starting a coaching career is NOT more important than stopping a kid from getting raped in the butt. It doesn't matter if you're 28 or 48. An 18 year old would know that **** is just plain wrong.

 

No one is suggesting it is more important. It's nice to think we'd all immediately crack Sandusky upside the head with a leadpipe in that situation, but unfortunately that's not the case. It's easy to say what you would do, but practicing it is a whole different matter.

 

No one would sit on it for nearly 10 years

 

McQueary did, and that's why he's in super deep s**t, deservedly so.

 

I have no sympathy for a dude that witnesses a lil kid getting raped in a shower and walks away. He's actually #2 on my you suck list. How do you see a minor being molested.....and walk away??? I THINK IT'S FAIRLY EASY TO SAY IF I SAW A LITTLE BOY BEING MOLESTED IN A SHOWER THAT I WOULD STOP IT. I would expect any MAN to do the same. Any decent person actually.