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Penn State coach, AD, VP charged in child rape case

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by Carl Herrera, Nov 5, 2011.

  1. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    His over 1 million followers:rolleyes:
     
  2. Major

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    Umm, the President was also let go and the AD resigned days ago.
     
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    Man, if I had 8.2 million followers like him, I would at least attempt to know what the f-ck I was talking about before tweeting it.
     
  4. ubigred

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    Animals.
     
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    He apparently deleted his tweet.
     
  6. Shaud

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    Sad thing is mos of those kids rioting only doing it to get on TV. Half of them don't really care about Paterno.
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    Very sad day. I've always admired Joe Paterno as a model of what a college coach is. Joe Paterno made a terrible mistake by not doing more and I won't defend him for it but this was no way for a him to go out.

    Just to make clear I am not saying he shouldn't be fired as he brought this on himself but that its tragic that things came to this and such a great career will now be remembered for this.
     
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  8. AstroRocket

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    aplusk ashton kutcher
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    Lmao, they just maced the crowd around the turned CBS van. You could see their pain and tears through the TV.

    So much win.
     
  10. Coach AI

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    The students are rioting now and defending paterno? Damn that place is rotten from top to bottom.
     
  11. ubigred

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    I'm sure 80 percent are just there just to start **** like the Vancouver losers did last June.
     
  13. Shaud

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    So Sundusky was adopting kids?????
     
  14. Kim

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    He adopted like 6 because he couldn't have them or his wife couldn't or something.
     
  15. Child_Plz

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    It's probably the best for Joe, if they kept him he would spend the last few games answering questions about the case.

    Still tho I would like to see him coach at least one more game.
     
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  17. TheRealist137

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    Trying to defend Joe here...

    ...all he did wrong was simply fail to investigate deeper into the allegations.

    I'd say there was maybe a 30% chance that Joe thought those allegations were completely bogus at the time he was told of them. Imagine some coworker of yours told you that your best friend raped little boys and he saw him doing it. Even if the coworker was serious in your head there has to be some belief that he is just lying or was mistaken.

    Joe did what he needed to do which was inform the school, and once he saw due to the failure of the school to investigate further into it, he probably thought that the school found nothing incriminating and the grad student was lying. Then over time he just forgot about it since he is old and is busy.
     
  18. robbie380

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    For those who haven't seen the timeline

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/07/justice/pennsylvania-coach-abuse-timeline/index.html

    Sandusky abuse claims date back to 1994, grand jury says
    By the CNN Wire Staff
    updated 2:01 PM EST, Tue November 8, 2011

    (CNN) -- The child sex investigation against retired Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky began in 2008 with the first report of allegations to law enforcement. But allegations and eyewitness accounts, some known to university officials, date back as far as 1994.

    Here's a look at the timeline, drawn from the grand jury report, the Pennslyvania attorney general's office and a statement from The Second Mile, a charity founded by Sandusky to help troubled youth:

    1977 -- Sandusky founds "The Second Mile."

    1994-1997 -- According to the grand jury report, Sandusky allegedly engages in inappropriate conduct with three different boys he met separately through the Second Mile program. One boy was 7 or 8, another was 10 and the third was 12 or 13 at the time. According to the grand jury report, the now-grown men said Sandusky engaged in inappropriate conduct ranging from touching to outright sexual encounters, including several incidents during the night before Penn State football home games, when the team, staff and boys Sandusky had allegedly invited were staying at a hotel.

    1998 -- Penn State police and the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare investigate an incident in which the mother of an 11-year-old boy reported that Sandusky had showered with her son and may have had inappropriate conduct with him. In a June 1, 1998, interview with investigators from both agencies, Sandusky admits showering naked with the boy, admitting that it was wrong and promising not to do it again, according to the grand jury report. The district attorney advises investigators that no charges will be filed and the university police chief instructs that the case be closed, according to the testimony included in the grand jury report of the police detective who investigated the incident.

    1999 -- Sandusky retires from Penn State after coaching there for 32 years, but stays on as a volunteer and retains full access to the campus and football facilities.

    2000 -- Sandusky allegedly showers with a young boy and tries to touch his genitals during overnight stays at the coach's house, according to the now 24-year-old man's testimony included in the grand jury report.

    2000 -- Tim Calhoun, a janitor at the Lasch Football Building on the Penn State campus, tells his supervisor and another janitor that he saw Sandusky performing oral sex on a young boy, according to the grand jury report. A second janitor reported that he saw Sandusky and a boy leave a shower room and walk out of the building hand in hand. No one reports the incident to university officials or law enforcement, according to the grand jury report.

    March 2, 2002 -- According to the grand jury report, a graduate assistant allegedly tells Coach Joe Paterno that he saw Sandusky in the locker room shower the night before, performing anal sex on a young boy he estimated to be 10 years old.

    March 3, 2002 -- Paterno reports the incident to Athletic Director Tim Curley, saying the graduate assistant had seen Sandusky "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy," according to the grand jury. Later, the assistant is summoned to a meeting with Athletic Director Tim Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz..

    While the assistant insists to the grand jury that he told Curley and Schultz that he saw Sandusky and the boy engaged in anal sex, Curley and Schultz told the grand jury they had not been told of such an allegation. Instead, Curley said he had the impression the conduct amounted to non-sexual "horsing around." Schultz said he couldn't remember details, but seemed to recall that "Sandusky might have inappropriately grabbed the young boy's genitals while wrestling," according to the grand jury. Sandusky's locker room keys are confiscated, he is told not to bring his Second Mile participants to campus and the incident is reported to the charity, but no law enforcement investigation is launched, according to the grand jury.

    2002 -- The Second Mile learns of the shower incident. Curley tells them that "the information had been internally reviewed and that there was no finding of wrongdoing," the group said in a statement Monday.

    2005 or 2006 -- Sandusky allegedly befriends another Second-Mile participant whose allegations would form the foundation of the multi-year grand jury investigation.

    2006 or 2007 -- A wrestling coach at the high school where Sandusky was volunteering allegedly surprises Sandusky and the boy "lying on their sides, in physical contact, face to face on a mat" in a cramped weight room. Sandusky jumps to his feet and told the coach the two were just working on wrestling moves, the coach later recalls in grand jury testimony. As time goes on, Sandusky allegedly begins to spend more time with the boy, taking him to sporting events and giving him gifts, including golf clubs, a computer, cash and clothes. During this period, according to the grand jury report, Sandusky allegedly performs oral sex on the boy more than 20 times, and the boy performs oral sex on him once.

    2008 -- The boy breaks off contact with Sandusky. Later, his mother calls the high school to report her son had been sexually assaulted and the principal bars Sandusky from campus and reports the incident to police. In grand jury testimony, the principal, Steven Turchetta, recalls Sandusky's behavior as suspicious, and said Sandusky was often "clingy" and "needy" when a student no longer wanted to spend time with him. The ensuing investigation reveals 118 calls from Sandusky's home and cell phone numbers to the boy's home.

    November 2008 -- Sandusky informs The Second Mile that he is under investigation, and he is removed from all program activities involving children, according to the group.

    September 2010 -- Sandusky retires from The Second Mile, according to the grand jury.

    Friday -- The grand jury report is released.

    Saturday -- Authorities arrest Sandusky on seven counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse and numerous other charges, including aggravated indecent assault, corruption of minors and endangering the welfare of a child. He is freed on $100,000 unsecured bail. Curley, 57, and Schultz, 62, are each charged with one count of felony perjury and one count of failure to report abuse allegations.

    Sunday -- Curley asks for and is granted administrative leave to deal with the charges, while Schultz steps down from his post to retire.
     
  19. Kim

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    I just can't imagine the conversation with McQueary from JoePa's perspective and conclude that what JoePa did was okay (edit: okay meaning enough)...even if the report was vague like is being told to reporters by some close to JoePa.

    So what if he didn't say "I saw Sandusky raping a 10yr old boy in the shower" and instead said "I saw inappropriate behavior, maybe some fondling by Sandusky of this boy in the shower"? So what? That's what's being reported by some JoePa defenders: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7214770

    There is no gray area with "fondling" children in my opinion. I mean, is there supposed to be a gray area? Is softcore pedophilia more acceptable in the boonies or for oldies like JoePa? I don't see the gray area in the matter. That stuff was way too serious for anyone to give Sandusky repeatedly the benefit of the doubt and/or to repeatedly cover it up.
     
  20. hairyme

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    Nah, actually, they all care about Paterno. Seriously, that place is a god forsaken hive-mind rural college town. They love their football and 90% of them talk about Paterno like he's their grandfather.

    Also, there's nothing to do, so they like to get drunk and do stuff on the only street in town.

    I'm with the TheRealist137. All this righteous outrage over this incident is annoying--most people put in the same situation would've done the same thing unfortunately. It has nothing to do with PennState or their sacred football program, and unfortunately for the media, there's most likely no far-reaching sex scandal coverup. This is simply a consequence of being part of an organization, hierarchy, etc. and the compounding negligence that can easily happen in a situation like this.

    With each person the story was passed onto, the evidence becomes diluted and further removed from reality... and so everyone just goes through due process--which they probably deem as responsible (rather causing a sh!tstorm over what they may perceive as a rumor or misunderstanding)--by telling their direct authority.

    Sadly, the person most at fault is the primary witness for not going straight to the police. Even then, it's just some student who probably questioned what he saw ("Maybe I was just imagining it?", "I think I saw something?", etc.) in the first place and was scared to act on it. Sure, I think the situation warrants one taking bold action to rectify a potential wrong, but the failure to do so doesn't make one evil or bad... just human sadly. Perhaps the utmost authority should be held accountable? I'm not sure, it's hard to say.

    Anyway, a lot of us have probably been in a similar situation where we saw something questionable or were told about it from an in/direct source... and didn't feel like there was anything concrete to go off of... and didn't do anything. Maybe hold off on the harsh judgement eh?
     

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