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Occupy Wallstreet

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Oct 2, 2011.

  1. Dubious

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    Labor Unions, Public Employee Unions

    That's like Texas claiming Iowa State is running the Big 12.

    And you'll be happy to notice I have taken FAUX off of my list of Corporatti. I think they are just the traveling Revival Tent, preaching whatever fills the plate. They probably laugh at themselves on the top floor.

    So Bas, find me one public service union with the power of Grover Norquist.
    He’s Your Boogieman
    http://www.blogfordemocracy.org/2011/11/boogieman.html
     
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  2. tallanvor

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    It's awful that the local government won't arrest these savages.
     
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  3. Dubious

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    Mortgage Fraud: Will Wall Street finally have to pay for its misdeeds?
    http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time...-street-finally-have-to-pay-for-its-misdeeds/

    Wall Street may soon have to finally pay for its folly. Earlier this week, the US Attorneys office of the Department of Justice sued Deutsche Bank for allegedly tricking a government insurance program into backing mortgage loans that were much riskier than they were portrayed. Many of those loans have defaulted causing nearly$400 million in losses for the government program already, and potentially much more. The question is what other big banks were also abusing government home loan programs during the housing bubble and after......

    You keep posting about chump change.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Indeed. How can someone run over two OWS protesters in a car and not be arrested.
     
  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    For once I agree with tallanover. Wow, the guy who ran over the protesters is a savage and I find it ridiculous that would not arrest the driver.

    I guess he is finally coming around.
     
  6. robbie380

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    How do you feel about the teacher's union?
     
  7. Dubious

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    I don't know what you are exactly referencing but since I am married to a retired teacher, you can probably guess where I'll stand. I already said public service unions are like Iowa State compared to Super Pacs' Texas. Other than the defense of some incompetents, and it takes a process to make that determination, I can't think of anything too crazy any teacher, fire, police or civil servant union has done.

    Because they get paid out of taxes their contribution to society gets inordinately discredited. Though tradition limits teachers work year to 9 months, I don't think my wife ever averaged under 11 hours a day. Lots of lesson planning in Special Ed.
     
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    I feel like they are evil, and the epitome of greed. They are about nothing but getting teachers to live that luxurious lifestyle teachers are known for. They milk the workers and middle class to feed the wealthy teachers and pad their huge giant bank accounts.

    These enormously wealthy teachers unions are holding wall street bankers at bay. The teachers unions are causing foreclosures, bad loans, pay huge CEO level bonuses to their teachers.

    They are pure evil I tell you.
     
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    That if they were paid what they deserve and, if absent that, given the benefits to "make up" for an absurdly low salary, considering that they are largely responsible for seeing that your kid leaves school with an education (and many teachers have graduate degrees, as well), rather an important task for those of us who are parents, then they wouldn't need a union. As things stand now, they need stronger unions than they have, in my opinion. I'll add that I grew up surrounded by both public school teachers, and university professors, so I know a bit about the subject.
     
  10. Rocketman1981

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    I don't think many people argue too much with the pay though the hours per year, benefits and significant job security should have them paid at lower intervals.

    I think the failure is the lack of pay for performance and tenure as opposed to greatness. Great teachers should make much more than bad teachers and there should be metrics to measure this. It should be a pay for performance culture in Wall St., Corporate America, Government and in Schools. We spend more than almost any country per capita, yet our results are poor. That to me strikes as a bureacratical system that allows mediocrity to be a normal.

    Our children deserve more and so do we.
     
  11. MoonDogg

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    Sounds like a good idea in theory, but it'll probably just make teachers and school districts lower the standards even more so they can pass more kids with higher marks.

    A better solution (that would also not cost any more money) would be to have parents beat their kids if they have poor grades or don't work hard in school.
     
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    This is one of those concepts that sounds great for a speech, but doesn't really mean anything IRL. The reasons that our school system costs more per capita with lower results than other developed countries are myriad and such a metric is influenced by both performance of students and costs of education: an incentive system that focuses teachers on teaching for the test and not on actual learning, the high cost of transportation for students caused by our idealization of suburban sprawl and picket fences, higher spending for students with disabilities at a time when more students are being diagnosed with disability, unionized teaching and cleaning staff, vast inequality in America causing certain districts to be underfunded and certain neighborhoods to be caught in a spiral of poverty.

    Why pick on union busting out of all these things as THE way to lower the cost of school and increase the attainment of students when we have so many other problems and when unionization has not been shown to lower the quality of instruction? Sure it cut costs, but if attainment per cost is the metric you are using and not just pure costs you might just end up with no gain at all.
     
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    Thats why the next big evolution in any type of organization whether Wall St, Government or Teachers is how to effectively model compensation to long-term success.

    I'm a HUGE fan of clawbacks.

    Its like any large organization that has to have dynamic standards and methods of following it beyond grades. If schools are unsuccessful, then parents should be able to choose other schools which get those funds and the Principals and teachers are able to make more. It has to be normalized from base starting points as poverty striken areas cannot be held to the same standard as high income areas. If smart dedicated people think about it they can find solutions that will motivate good students to become highly paid teachers if they're good and successful.

    Bad teachers should be let go to find other work as the future of our children shouldnt be mediocrity.
     
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    for liberals, it always comes down to teh joos.

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  16. Dubious

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    That they are our heroes?

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    basso is getting so desperate - he is resorting to posting mega-size video settings in order to get attention.

    Keep trying basso! I will never click on any of your links until you drop the obnoxious act.
     
  18. tallanvor

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    Barry Goldwater has some words for Mayor Quan and Mayor Bloomberg

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  19. JuanValdez

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    Sounds rational to me. I think the social media policy is a decent lead indicator of how much a company trusts and respects their workforce. If my company doesn't trust me enough to get on Facebook, will they also be counting my smoke breaks and logging my keystrokes? Do they want to hear how I might be able to make the company better or are they only interested in me processing work-product as quickly as possible? I think it says a lot about the culture and how they will treat their people.

    It also seems like a false comparison too in that it's the low-paying jobs that have to put up with work-day controls.
     
  20. Raven

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    In any political movement or protest, there are always a few troublemakers, and they are always used by the other side to smear the entire group. I didn't like it done to the Tea Party (and said so) and I would hope that Republicans would feel the same way about this.

    It's ridiculous to suggest that the OWS movement is comprised mostly of left wing radicals. The liberal fringe has never been able to organize something as successful as OWS, they just don't have it in them.

    In truth, OWS has attracted people from all walks of life, many of whom have never even been to a protest before, so how about we discus what OWS is protesting, the widening gap between the rich and everyone else, instead of what a few outcast are doing.
     

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