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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...aw-wojnarowski_nba_lockout_kobe_bryant_110711

As David Stern tries to hold off his most rabid hardline owners, the NBA’s commissioner has expressed a willingness to meet with the Players Association with the possibility of relenting on some system issues that are important to the union in reaching an agreement, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Nevertheless, union executive director Billy Hunter was still deciding late Monday whether he wanted to take the meeting, two sources involved in the talks told Yahoo! Sports. The reason for Hunter’s hesitation was unclear.

As one ownership source told Yahoo! Sports on Monday night, “If there were a couple of tweaks needed around the edges – not fundamental deal points – I believe there could be a deal if everything else is agreed upon. But there needs to be a meeting with David and Billy for anything to happen.”
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Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant(notes)
also has urged owners to resume talks with the players union and complete the labor agreement.

“We need for the two sides to get together again before Wednesday, because we’re too close to getting a deal done,” Bryant told Yahoo! Sports. “We need to iron out the last system items and save this from spiraling into a nuclear winter.”

The owners are threatening to pull their current offer at 5 p.m. ET Wednesday and return to proposing a 53-47 revenue split in favor of the league, as well as a hard salary cap and contract rollbacks. This act would almost certainly move the players to decertify the union, and could cost the NBA the entire 2011-12 season.

The Players Association offered to drop its revenue split to 51 percent on Saturday, but wanted several system items – including sign-and-trade deals and full midlevel exceptions for luxury-tax paying teams – as part of a new CBA. It remains to be seen how far the owners would go to remedy the players’ concerns and move closer to an agreement. Hunter surprised some in Saturday’s mediation session when he suggested the players might be willing to drop to a 50-50 split, even when they had just stated their position as 51, sources in the room told Y! Sports.

[Related: NBA owners give players drop-dead offer to end lockout]

One of the union’s lawyers quickly corrected Hunter, saying he meant to say a 51-49 split, but officials on both sides believed Hunter meant what he said: 50-50. All along, the belief has been the players would eventually accept the 50-50 split if they could get satisfactory resolutions on the system issues that would protect middle-class salaries and not stifle player movement, especially to the big-spending, big-market teams who are typically over the salary cap.

Some hardline owners didn’t want to even give the players until Wednesday to make a decision on accepting or rejecting Saturday’s offer, sources said. They wanted to force a decision within 24 hours, but were talked out of it.

“There’s an intense feeling among the teams who are not on the labor committee as to how a 50-50 deal doesn’t fix the economic model,” the ownership source said. “They’re adamant that 50-50 is too high and that the labor committee should’ve never gone that high. Stern wouldn’t be able to overcome such strong and wide resistance however much he tries to lead here.”

Player representatives of the 30 teams are meeting at 1 p.m. ET Tuesday in New York to discuss the union’s next steps.
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Steve Blake is an idiot.

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Dreamin said: ↑

Steve Blake is an idiot.
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No, Anthony Parker is an idiot.

#463 ascaptjack, Nov 8, 2011
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ascaptjack said: ↑

No, Anthony Parker is an idiot.
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This dude was playing ball in Israel not long ago and now he's rejecting offers?

True moron.

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REEKO_HTOWN said: ↑

This dude was playing ball in Israel not long ago and now he's rejecting offers?

True moron.
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I mean, c'mon seriously?

If you were an NBA player, who would you rather listen to? Anthony Parker or Kobe Bryant?

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KBergCBS Ken Berger
Players' meeting ending, they will address media shortly.

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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
NBPA meeting over with player reps, and they will talk soon.

HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
Player meeting over. Speaking momentarily.

alanhahn Alan Hahn
Players meeting ended... being summoned to a press conference room. I've heard that players were all over the place on issues and opinions.

ZachLowe_SI Zach Lowe
Everyone gathering in press conference room. Three dozen players here

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Ill put 5 bucks on the statement "slight (or some) progress made on system issues" being said at least 1 time in the press conference.

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KBergCBS Ken Berger
Some 35-40 players expected to attend news conference.

ZachLowe_SI Zach Lowe
Players union suddenly breaking out a brown-ish press conference background. Don't like it. #lockoutnews

johnschuhmann John Schuhmann by HowardBeckNYT
NBPA press conference will be live shortly on NBA TV & streamed here: on.nba.com/prSFgy

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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
There are 30, maybe 35 players arriving for news conference.

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Billy Hunter says he's hearing through "underground" that the NBA will cancel games through Christmas if no agreement tomorrow.

Hunter repeating Fisher: Essentially, players want to keep negotiating, keep working on system issues. This is what most expected to happen.

Hunter: "I anticipate we will have a meeting (with NBA) before 5 o'clock tomorrow."

Hunter: "I would give (Michael Jordan) the advice he gave Abe Pollin."

Hunter says he isn't buying NBA's offer comes off table for good tomorrow, still believes owners will eventually do a 50-50 revenue split.
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KBergCBS Ken Berger

Hunter said "very little" discussion about decertification.

Hunter says decertification is "not a worthwhile endeavor" and "not something the players here want to do."

Hunter: We're prepared to negotiate objectively and fairly but we expect the same thing from our adversary.

Hunter: We've compromised on the economics. But that compromise is predicated on the ability to get the things we need to get in the system.

Hunter: "Having us walk them through (owner's proposal), the players are clearly of a mind that it's an unacceptable proposal."

Fisher says that without further movement on system issues [players] "don't see a way we can get a deal done by Wednesday."

Fisher: These guys want to have a voice in how that system is composed.

Fisher says players will not allow union to negotiate from a position of weakness.

Hunter says changes that need to be made in league's proposal "goes beyond tweaks."

Hunter says sign-and-trade, mid-level exception, the tax cliff and the escrow are the major issues.

Fisher says there has to be significant change in league's proposal on those issues for a deal to be made.

Fisher: We've made the compromises on BRI and economics. Now it's on the NBA to make compromises on the system points.

Hunter: "We'll just wait and see what it is the league does" at 5 p.m. tomorrow. "I'm convinced that they would come back and do 50-50 deal"

Fisher on risks of NBA deal getting worse and decertification movement: "We're focused on what we can control."
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daldridgetnt David Aldridge

Fisher: Today wasn't about voting on current deal as it stands...focus was on what else we can do to get a deal we can live with...

Hunter: When we walk them through it, they have a different perspective than when they read stories...

Hunter: We're aware of who the hard-line teams are. We understand their position, but not intimidated by that...we're prepared to negotiate.

Fisher: They want to get back to work, but they don't want us to be shortsighted and regret it 10, 15 years from now...

Derek Fisher: our orders are clear...w/o system changes, no chance at deal before Wednesday deadline...

Hunter: 5 major issues: repeater tax, escrow, sign and trade restrictions, "cliff" for teams that go into tax, mid-level for tax payers.

Fisher: we have every demographic/market represented here..the consenus is the same: there isn't one player who wants to take a bad deal.
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sheridanhoops Chris Sheridan

Hunter said players will reach out to Stern tonight or tomorrow morning to ask to meet again. Fisher said no vote was taken on current deal.

"Players are still of the mindset they will not accept a bad deal. That's the message we have to send to the other side," -- Hunter.

Somewhat incredibly, Fisher says union willing to negotiate on money split but must have system issues that are still in dispute.

Union prez D.Fisher says players still want to negotiate. Current offer won't fly, but they want to talk more. 43 players from 29 teams.
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HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck

Derek Fisher says player reps have backed exec board's decision: Rejecting NBA's offer. Willing to keep negotiating.

Hunter's message to Michael Jordan: “I would give him the advice that he gave to Abe Pollin. OK? He should take his own advice.”
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Fisher: "The current deal on the table is a bad deal."
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I can't believe what I'm hearing in this conference. My god the players are stupid.

Keep fighting and hope you enjoy the 47% + flex cap you’ll end up with after all these missed checks…

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KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: Our orders are clear right now the current offer that is on the table from the NBA is not one we are able to accept.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher: "Our orders are clear that the current offer on the table is not acceptabl

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: We are willing to continue negotiating.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher says that without further movement on system issues, "don't see a way we can get a deal done by Wednesday."

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher says players will not allow union to negotiate from a position of weakness.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher says players want to keep negotiating with the NBA on proposal, but will not accept owner's ultimatum offer.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: These guys want to have a voice in how that system is composed.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: We're open-minded about potential compromises with our number, but there are elements of our system that are not open for discussion

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher: "We're open-minded about potential compromises on our (BRI) number, but there are things in the system that we have to have..."

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: They want to go back to work ... but they don't want to be short-sighted just to get a deal done today.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Hunter: Everybody is well informed about the deal. It's quite apparent to them that the spin the NBA has put on ... is not quite accurate.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Hunter: The players are clearly of the mind that it's an unacceptable proposal.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Hunter: "Having us walk them through (owner's proposal), the players are clearly of a mind that it's an unacceptable proposal."

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Hunter: We've compromised on the economics. But that compromise is predicated on the ability to get the things we need to get in the system.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Hunter repeating Fisher: Essentially, players want to keep negotiating, keep working on system issues. This is what most expected to happen.

alanhahn Alan Hahn
Derek Fisher says union given 2 orders: 1. Current proposal is not acceptable. 2. Keep negotiating off that proposal.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Hunter: We're prepared to negotiate objectively and fairly but we expect the same thing from our adversary.

HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
Billy Hunter: "We’re unified. The guys are with us." ... 43 players here, representing 29 of 30 teams.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Hunter said he would call Stern tonight or tomorrow and request an additional bargaining session.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Hunter said "very little" discussion about decertification.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Hunter says he's hearing through "underground" that if no deal by 5 p.m., NBA will cancel games through Christmas.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Hunter: "I anticipate we will have a meeting (with NBA) before 5 o'clock tomorrow."

HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
Hunter says he will reach out to NBA and expects another meeting before Stern's 5 pm deadline on Wednesday.

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KBergCBS Ken Berger
Hunter says changes that need to be made in league's proposal "goes beyond tweaks."

BergCBS Ken Berger
Hunter says sign-and-trade, mid-level exception, the tax cliff and the escrow are the major issues.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher says there has to be significant change in league's proposal on those issues for a deal to be made.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: We've made the compromises on BRI and economics. Now it's on the NBA to make compromises on the system points.

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KBergCBS Ken Berger
Hunter: "We'll just wait and see what it is the league does" at 5 p.m. tomorrow. "I'm convinced that they would come back and do 50-50 deal"

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Hunter: "I would give (Michael Jordan) the advice he gave Abe Pollin."

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Hunter on Michael Jordan: "I would give him the advice that he gave to Abe Pollin. That's the advice I would give to him."

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This is ridiculous! Just take the freakin deal dumbasses!!! This is absolutely unbelievable! Talk about people who shoudn't have money!!!

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Fisher: "The current deal on the table is a bad deal."

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Fisher: we have every demographic/market represented here..the consenus is the same: there isn't one player who wants to take a bad deal.

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Whenever Stern talks, seems to build union solidarity. Nice of Billy Hunter to return the favor. He's recruiting help for hardlinerowners.

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There's a bunch of rank and file players in that press conference besides CP3.

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Updated my post above with all the tweets

Billy Hunter firing off a shot at MJ, ha.

Hunter also calling the NBA's bluff:

Hunter says he isn't buying NBA's offer comes off table for good tomorrow, still believes owners will eventually do a 50-50 revenue split.
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