In This Thread Every Post Must Contain A Lockout Update

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Despite Blake's efforts, conversations w/ agents and players today suggest there's still much stronger support for rejecting league offer.

 

I don't think @TheNBPA fully appreciates that prior CBAs--while a good comparison point for negotiations--are by no means binding or determinative of what is "fair" after that prior agreement has expired.

Also, I wouldn't go so far as to call a reduction in salary cap exceptions a "rollback" (even if that might technically be what it is). Current player salaries are not being rolled back. Bird rights will remain. These were salary cap EXCEPTIONS to begin with. Stop crying "foul!" just because they aren't as large as you'd like.


I wish the owners were more reasonable, but the players need to just wise up, try like hell to negotiate tomorrow with David Stern for a little bit more, and then just take the best offer on the table.

 

alanhahn Alan Hahn
FWIW: #NBPA VP Roger Mason Jr tells Newsday "There will be no vote" on #NBA proposal at player rep mtg. Details will be outlined, tho. #fb

 

No vote? What is this? Soviet Russia or something?

 

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Kobe Bryant tells Yahoo! Sports what he hopes to see happen before Wednesday's deadline to accept league's deal: tinyurl.com/bw483lh

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_lockout_kobe_bryant_110711

 

Agreed. While decertification may give the players enough leverage to get the owners to come back off of 47%, it won't be enough to get back everything that the owners' current 50/50 offer contains. The hard-line owners are clearly willing to miss the season, so decertification will just lead to a game of chicken the players cannot win. Hell, most players are not going to want to lose all of the collectively bargained perks just so they can file antitrust complaints against the league.

Worse yet, if the sides decide to take their chances in court under labor claims, I highly doubt that the owners would be subject to treble damages. They have at least provided enough evidence that they have negotiated in good faith (not GREAT faith, but good faith) and won't get slammed for locking out the players like many union figures and agents are saying.

At the end of the day, the best deal the players can get will likely be the current one, with some possible minor additional concessions coming from any negotiating session tomorrow.

TAKE THE DEAL, GUYS! LET'S PLAY THIS SEASON ALREADY!

 

K-mart (ours) wants to get back to work.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/11/07/kevin.martin.nba.labor/index.html

 

Kevin Martin and Kobe should run for President

 

I thought it was interesting that Stern on ESPN basically said the court of appeals did not accept the NFLPA’s decertification. I guess the courts see decertification as a negotiating tactic by the union instead of true permanent decertification. Stern basically saying the decertification threat is not a concern.

 

Jonathan_Feigen Jonathan Feigen
In talking w plyrs, agents mixed feelings on taking deal, little interest in decert. Rox rep @Klow7 not making recommendation b4 Tue meeting

 

alanhahn Alan Hahn
Mason's comment is not to suggest that player reps won't be able to voice their opinions in the meeting. But no plan to put proposal to vote

 

sam_amick Sam Amick
Third agent chimed in to say his 12 guys all willing to decertify. Not part of the Super Seven.

 

sam_amick Sam Amick
He wants to play and wants this to go to a vote. Bottom line. RT @kristenblake2 you can't say (Blake, her husband) is irate with the union

 

KauffmanSports Steve Kauffman
Pls correct me if I'm wrong. In 98-99 when Union wouldn't put it to a vote;after some strong pressure from rank n file; deal passed 166-3!!

 

KauffmanSports Steve Kauffman
yes that pressure from players was on eve of season being cancelled; but most likely that's what we're looking at here w decert movement

KauffmanSports Steve Kauffman
Least somebody wins- The lawyers

 

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
One player told SI he has heard nothing from the union regarding a vote--formal or informal--before the NBA's Wednesday deadline

 

So what's the latest in non-tweet form? Still in holding pattern/pissing match?

David Stern on SC earlier tonight(paraphrasing this)

(On if the players decertify, how would it affect the process): Not much I dont think. NFL tried that and courts rejected that attempt. Not sure what they are thinking.(See what cdastros said)

. . .

There is a great offer on the table. It is getting late. Only rational thing to do is make that deal. It will get worse from there.

(What is worse): We told the players an offer of 47% and hard cap.

(Owners willing to lose the entire season?): They're unified in their willingness to make this deal through Wed and then unified to negotiate only with the 47% after.

(Talking about next possible cancellation of games): Calender dictates that. We need 30 days to gear up. . . .We're not there yet and dont want to make an idle threat.

 

Maybe the owners could give in to the "no sign and trade for lux tax guys" as a way to let Hunter and Fisher say they got the best they could.

DD

 

I'm assuming that the owners' new revenue sharing plan--in which the amounts of revenue shared will triple and then eventually quadruple--is still going to be implemented.

I would hate to think that the big market owners would be willing to pay even the most punitive luxury tax while at the same time pocketing the same amount of TV revenue, etc. they kept under their former revenue sharing plan.