Patterson and Chuck are untradeable to me. Our offense and defense were both better with Chuck on the floor than on the bench. Maybe he's not starting material but he is vital to a winning team. AB, Bud, etc. are terrible on defense. Chuck is very serviceable on offense. He'll finish around the rim and his passing skills are elite. Whether you want to admit it or not, there are quite a few players who are much more "disposable" and, if needed, should leave before Chuck. This anti-Chuck-as-a-Rocket sentiment is completely illogical no matter how you slice it.
There are 3 main factors that will impact whether or not the Rockets sign him: 1- Price tag. Although I cant see this being but so high, there's a likelihood that other teams will be interested which is going to drive the price up. 2- Alternatives. Chuck isnt the only PF in free agency, and it might be possible to sign a reasonable alternative for a lower price or a better alternative at an incrementally higher price. There's also a chance that the Rockets choose to hold off on signing Chuck to better position themselves for 2012 Free Agency and splurge then. 3- PF Position Management. We have a log jam of mid sized power forwards who fit a mold very similar to Chuck's. PP, Scola, Hill and Morris all play a very similar position, and I could see the Rocket's staff wanting to see Hill and PP get more minutes this season. I also think its important to note that Chuck might want to leave himself. Objectively, this team is unlikely to be in the running for a championship in the near future, and if there's a title-contending team out there looking for him to play the role of a glue-guy, he might choose to walk.
Something I forgot to mention but is a very real possibility- it's been said often of how Morey views players as assets. Chuck may well fall victim to this, and I can see a situation in which he signs Chuck and tries to trade him around the trade deadline for draft picks and/or players. Given the likely truncated offseason following the lockout, I wouldnt be surprised at all to see this play out.
Everyone on the team is viewed as such, that is Morey's job. The entire Rockets roster could be renamed "The expendables".... DD
Dang, I missed the edit, must have been good, because what was left was weaksauce. At the end of the day, I trust Morey to do right, he got rid of Shane (against most of the same people making this argument) and the team got better, same with Chuck, same exact thing. We have younger guys that have more talent that need playing time, it is time for him to go.... DD
The man will be a great NBA coach when his career ultimately ends. How can anyone not respect the Chuckwagon?!!
As Carl already pointed out, the Rockets offense was good because of Chuck, not despite him. This is easy to explain as the Rockets ran quite a bit of their offense through Chuck, as he has superb court vision, excellent passing abilty and good decision making for a big man. You don't have to have a great/complete skillset to make your offense better. Like it did when Chuck didn't start/get to play much early in the season, or when he was injured last year? Care to look up the Rockets record in that time frame?
Look, I think Chuck and PPat are great ball players, but untradeable??? If the Magic ask for Chuck to be bundled in a trade for DH, you pack his bags for him. Hell, if DeAndre is offered up in a S&T in a bundle with Chuck, pretty sure we don't let nostalgia keep us from pulling the trigger.
Ok, but it might be even better if we gave those minutes to Patterson a guy who plays both offense and defense well. No, I think that some of the guys that were not ready last year are ready this year, and you got to play em to get em better. The goals of this team have changed, it is not about eeeeking out a few more wins, it is about discovering who can be part of a championship team, or elevating stats of some players to TRADE them for championship pieces. Chuck is not going to net you anything in either area - people need to think bigger picture here.....everyone is thinking too small... Figure out what Morey is doing......he knows the roster is not good enough, he knows the young guys need burn to discover their abilities, and make them more attractive as trade chips. People on this forum.....not so much. DD
Untradeable meaning I better get at least a DH12 in return of course. Nobody is truly untradeable. Patterson is oozing potential, and Hayes is a very unique player.
I love this. We can't lose Chuck because he's the only thing stopping from being a bad team. Yeah since its even better being a not so bad team. The only thing keeping us from getting a top 5 lotto pick next year is Chuck so I say trade him. Falling in love with mediocre players on mediocre teams is plain stupid.
Winning and staying in the middle of the pack is not winning it all.....sometimes you got to take the pain to get the gain. DD
True, though one could argue that tanking isn't the only option in the Rockets case. It might be the better option, but ownership doesn't seem to think so, which I for one am more than OK with.
Wait hold on, let me get this straight. You said Hayes is a one way player because you think his offense is terrible. Then you said Brooks and Budinger's defense are not that bad. And then you go on to say Chuck Hayes' offense is as bad as Brooks and Budinger's defense, but their defense in your book is not that bad? The DD mobius strip!
