In This Thread Every Post Must Contain A Lockout Update

And then what?

 

Much worse "B.S."

 

Guys who are under contract now have more of incentive to get paid "NOW" under what their current contract allows.

As the current deal from the owners is laid out if Tyson Chandler wanted to go back to the Mavs we would have to sign for 2.5 Million a year.

Fat chance of that happening

So He would fall under the 100 who wants to De-certify in hope of a better system for free agents.

A player like Marvin Williams is over paid and under contract for the next few years will never see a deal like he has now again.

If the season is lost he looses 8 mil.


I think it is safe to say he would be willing to sign the current deal from the owners and let them take a 7% off the top of his 8 mil a year salary.

If I where him I would too

 

I believe the owners proposal does not include rollbacks on current contracts so he would still recieve $8M. The squeeze would be on current free agents getting less money and options than before

 

If BRI goes down your salary goes down.

If the players agree to a BRI of 50%

Total player salaries cant go over 50% of what ever the total BRI is.

Every player who collects a check in the league would take a reduction in salary to stay at the 50% number.

Which is why BRI is such a big deal for the players

The only way no one takes a cut in salary is if the league makes a massive amount of revenue.

 

People keep saying things like this, but I don't see a some small market teams offering large contracts to free agents even when they have large cap space (Memphis, Charlotte, Indy, etc.). All the changes being made does not really change that. Will those teams offer that cap space to these players? Doubtful.
Then a number of those teams who have offered contracts have offered horrible bad ones in total pay and length for players that many felt were wildcards anyways (Detroit, Clippers, Milwaukee).

My problem with the owners side is that none of their proposed changes will truly fix small-market teams profitability or improve competitive balance. Pure revenue sharing between teams does that, and it is the only thing that can.

 

sam_amick Sam Amick
With Wed. deadline for 50-50 deal looming from league, source says the @TheNBPA exec committee is holding a conf call Monday to strategize.

sam_amick Sam Amick
System issues/concerns far outweigh BRI at this point for the union. One source calls structure "offensive."

sam_amick Sam Amick
Owners' proposed structure, that is...

 

I am not saying I agree with the owners line of thinking.

But here is the jist of what the want to accomplish.

They want teams with depth to cut or trade players of value to teams with cap room in the hopes that they will be more competitive because of better players.

For example last year Brendan Haywood was collecting dust on the bench. If Mavs did not have the ability to go over the cap we would have been moved to a team that needed him and could afford him under the new rules.

 

maybe we should go back to my (honestly pretty insightful) thesis that Michael Jordan would be a middle tier player today because he was known to eat a lot of hot dogs, while today's players eat nicoise salad and drink Odwalla drinks.

 

KBergCBS Ken Berger
ur right, many don't «@rickyamoreno @KBergCBS doubt players even know repercussions of d-cert. Agents/Stars taking adv of rank and file.»

 

Under the proposed deal, the mini MLE is indeed 2.5 million, however the Mavs would not be limited to 2.5 million to resign Tyson Chandler as they possess his bird rights. What Chandler referred to when he talked of difficulties resigning with the mavs under the proposed changes was in referenced to the changes in the luxury tax. Resigning Chandler will likely cost the Mavs as much as 2-3x his contract price due to the changes in luxury tax rate, making it a very expensive and unlikely decision.

update:
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Basketball-related income's affects NBA lockout talks - ESPN http://t.co/d8pHBnB1

 

Tyson's situation is exactly what the small market owners want, a chance to go after him, instead of Dallas having two top notch centers....

Him leaving is good for the game overall.

The players are just missing the entire point, they will still get paid, they just will not be able to go to one location to hook up, the talent pool will be forced to spread out some.

Good for the league.....I don't care if we lose an entire season, just get the system right.

DD

 

Dallas will happily amnesty cut Haywood before letting Chandler go. Restructuring salaries is about profits first, parity second. No doubt that both are vitally important.

 

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein

 

I think the concept is that if you make it more difficult to go over the cap (eliminating S&T, MLE for taxpayers, etc), then the players will flow to the places that have the cap room.

Right now, it's easy to get over the cap. Let's take a simple example with $50MM Salary Cap and 3 teams. The players will get $150MM total in this scenario, no matter what. But the spread may be:

Team #1: $75MM
Team #2: $40MM
Team #3: $35MM

If Team #1 can't go up to $75MM so easily and gets stuck at $60MM, then another $15MM of players will flow to Team #2 and Team #3. That's how you create parity. You can argue whether that's good or bad, but if the goal is to get more people signing with Utah and Minnesota, that's definitely a viable way to do it.

 

OK..so I actually enjoy this more than the regular season basketball...

In other news,
Ray Allen, Kemba Walker, Rudy Gay, and Hasheem Thabeet work out at UConn. Kyle Lowry, Dante Cunningham and Randy Foye scrimmage at Villanova. Marvin Williams, Tyler Hansbrough and Raymond Felton toughen up this season's Tar Heels at North Carolina.

Paul Pierce, Mario Chalmers and other former Kansas Jayhawks played in the first "Legends of the Phog" alumni game at Allen Fieldhouse.

 

What major free agents have shown interest in those players? If Lebron James or Dwayne Wade or Kobe were potentially interested in Memphis, you don't think they'd offer them a max contract if they could?

 

agreed... sick of hearing about how Houston is not attractive enough for free agents... such considerations should not be part of competitive balance...

 

Places, not players...

But FWIW, those teams never have that much cap room because they know they aren't going to get top tier free agents - so it doesn't make sense to gut their teams like NY or Miami did.

 

We didn't have trouble getting mcGrady or Barkley or Quitten. Unfortunately we no longer have that anchor stars flock to.