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Texas judge Caught on Tape Abusing Child

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by shastarocket, Nov 1, 2011.

  1. ima_drummer2k

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    I don't like how the mom seems to be getting a free pass, even from the daughter herself. She stood by and let it happen for all those years.

    IMO, that's just as bad as doing it yourself. In some ways, it's even worse. Your mom is supposed to stand up and protect you, not sacrifice your well being in order to keep from making waves.
     
  2. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Did she ever do the dishes? :)
     
  3. Xerobull

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    That's the crux of the issue here. The guy in the video was angry, which turned it from discipline to abuse. If you're basing your opinion on your own experience being disciplined with your dad who has anger issues, you're seeing it the wrong way.

    You should never, ever discipline your kids when there is emotion involved. In fact, if you're too pissed to see straight, you shouldn't do a damn thing. Guy should have cooled off for a day.
     
  4. juicystream

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    I got extra hits if I did anything to prevent my spanking, whether it be not bending over, or putting my hands in the way. My kids get the same. I certainly don't know the full story of what happened, but based on the dialogue in the video, this isn't her first time breaking the rule not to use her computer illegally.

    I expected to see hits to the face, or something to that effect. The way he yelled at his daughter, is concerning, but I don't know if that is common, pent up frustration, or what. I certainly think that once he left the room, he should not have returned. He needed to calm down. She was clearly frightened by his rage, and it effected the ability to properly administer punishment.

    I've been there as a child, and now I've been there as a parent. I've made mistakes as a parent (not like this video). I've depended on my wife to make sure I don't go overboard when I'm upset. I also know my dad made mistakes in anger that he regrets. It has certainly helped me that my anger has really transformed into disappointment, which allows me remain calm and talk to my son rather than yelling, which does nothing but frighten him.

    I'm not saying what he did is right. What I expected was something worse. I expected more than a parent going overboard with a punishment. If this is the norm, which maybe it was since she set up the camera, than the man needs anger management, because he has a problem.
     
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    Of course you have no sympathy because you are human excrement. You beat a child who has cerebral palsy, who is 16? You deserve a few wacks in the head to knock some sense into you. I pray you don't have children, and if you do, hopefully someone will keep an eye on you.
     
  6. juicystream

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    I have 2 sons. Honestly don't think I could spank a daughter if I had one. I know it is a double standard, but it is what it is.

    The reasons I don't have sympathy for the daughter is that she broke the rules multiple times, and for a reason I am unaware of, has decided to ruin the career of her father all these years later. I can't help but wonder what the motivation is. I'm not sure what kind of abuse existed. I have one video of one incident that is supposed to shape my perception about a person. I could have done this same thing with my father, and you would all be talking about what a bad person he was, when the reality is my father is one of the nicest people you will ever meet.

    You can see my response concerning the behavior of the father.
     
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  7. RocketRaccoon

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    I saw the mom's effort as a way to lessen the whipping by taking over and giving the child just one whip of the belt and easing the whole situation. Don't think that plan worked very well when daddio stormed back in. BUT, she TRIED in my book.

    I'm actually surprised you're pointing a finger at the mom and even considering it's worse when you don't even know or understand the dynamics of that family.
     
  8. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Has it ever been said as to how (and why) the beating was video'd to begin with? Did the daughter set a video surveillance up so that she could catch him in the act as this was something he had a history of doing?
     
  9. juicystream

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    Thanks for insulting me. This girl used cerebral palsy as an excuse to explain her desire to download illegal music and her love for technology. I guess I have cerebral palsy because when I was 16, I was downloading illegal music and I love computers. This girl has the mildest form of cerebral palsy I have ever seen. Cerebral palsy isn't even remotely an excuse for this girl. We are talking about a problem that effects motor skills. It isn't like she is mentally handicapped in any way.
     
  10. ima_drummer2k

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    Yeah, the mom saying "just take it like a grown woman!" is really a great example to set for young women everywhere. If a man beats you with a belt, just take it like a grown woman! Because that's what grown women do - take abuse without complaining.

    And no one in the world "knows or understands the dynamics of that family" so maybe everyone should just drop it.

    Mods, please close thread.
     
  11. juicystream

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    Just watched the NBC interview. She explains that this was a regular behavior, and that she had set the camera up right before this incident occurred in an effort to catch his behavior.

    They also have a brief moment where they ask him about the video, and he says that he did nothing wrong. That he was just punishing his daughter, she wasn't hurt, and that he did lose his temper.

    She says she released the tape now, because of verbal abuse and harassment from him that continues. They also have a 2nd daughter, but nothing was mentioned about her other than he had threatened his wife that he was going to take her away from her.
     
  12. juicystream

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    If she turns over, and takes it like a grown woman at the very beginning, how does the behavior change? Maybe this becomes nothing more than a discussion on whether or not spanking is acceptable, if it even is a story.

    I understand how the father can lose his temper. I don't understand how the mother doesn't try to stop him, even though she is clearly more level-headed during this incident. Her part in the actual punishment was correct. She takes the belt away from him, gets her to bend over, and administers the spanking. I also don't know how a child-parent relationship can be so bad.
     
  13. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Did they ask what prompted her to have the video tape going in this particular instance? Did she hear him coming into the room and start the recording?
     
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    Yes please. The epic fail keeps doubling down.
     
  15. juicystream

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    I don't recall for sure. She knew punishment was coming. I'm assuming they told her to go in her room and he was getting his belt, or something to that effect. I think she said she had set it up minutes before.
     
  16. babyicedog

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    First of all, if someone is caught downloading illegal music, you take away their computer. Problem solved! Second, you TALK to your kids about why they're downloading it illegally as opposed to asking for money to buy songs. There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that this father ever even approached this subject with his daughter. Third, did I mention that she's 16 YEARS OLD?????? One more year and she's an adult. If you know the first thing about parenting, you know that you have to start treating your kids as adults once they're well into high school. No beatings, no corporal punishment- matter of fact, no verbal abuse. It doesn't matter what parents used to do "back in the old days" - women also used to be not able to vote and black people were slaves.

    I taught kids in high school and I have two kids. Never had to resort to corporal punishment except for some spankings at an early age, no later than when they were about 8. And that was very rare, maybe once or twice. That is completely unthinkable what this person did. And it's obvious from his comments that he doesn't think he did anything wrong. He is sorely lacking in parenting skills and definitely does not deserve his position.
     
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  17. babyicedog

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    If someone has to spank a 16 year-old, they have issues they're not even aware of. And for all those on here that say they were spanked regularly and are better off for it, maybe you are.....and maybe you're not.
     
  18. juicystream

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    They took away the computer the first time. She had just gotten it back, and that was to do school work. You are making assumptions that his parents didn't discuss it with her on the prior occasion.

    Like I said, I wouldn't spank someone that old. I think a parent has the right to. I agree that what he did is ridiculously ineffective.

    I'm not sure if his lack of parenting skills means he isn't fit to be a judge. I do think the anger issue that seems apparent does. Can he maintain a level head on the bench?
     
  19. Master Baiter

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    This guy is supposed to be an example. Unfortunately, he is an example of what not to be.
     
  20. juicystream

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    Anybody else find it interesting that the girl, and the media keep saying downloading and the dad says stealing?
     

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