The father had 0.1% "discipline my child" in mind. The other 99.9% was "I want a punching bag to take out my frustrations in my miserable life."
Those of us who grew up where beatings like this were routine have been desensitized to it. Maybe we even feel as if it was some sort of cultural imperative. Those of us who weren't raised in a household with corporal punishment are far more likely to see this as a depraved act of child abuse. The thing I'm having trouble with here is that this girl has Cerebral Palsy. Which means she has severe physical limitations if not mental ones as well. Not to mention the article specifically states that his wife has since divorced him on grounds of *shock* physical abuse. If you are really going to sit here and tell me the punishment fit the crime then I will have to abstain from saying anything else on the matter because we will clearly be at in impasse in opinion.
At the beginning of the video you can hear her saying sorry to her mom for using the computer. She said it was easier than using a pen. Then her dad comes in, turns off the lights, and whips the **** out of her.
I think we should defer to the judge as to whether this was him disciplining a child or beating one. Judge Quote 1: "I will beat you into submission." Judge Quote 2: "I'll beat your legs some more." The prosecution rests your honors.
I just watched it again. Anyone who calls this discipline is in a sad state. This wasn't discipline, it was an act of rage. The two are mutually exclusive. The way he charges off saying "I'm going to get another one" when his wife won't give him the belt to continue hitting her says everything. The man was enraged and was hitting her to work the rage out of his system, not to discipline her.
I wonder how many rapists have said that line? "It wouldn't have been so bad if she hadn't resisted!"
I don't know if the punishment fits the crime. It probably doesn't. But we've only heard one side of the story, though we saw what we saw. We don't know if she truly has cerebral palsy. If she does that's pretty bad what her father did. According to the text she also put illegal software on a device she already knew her dad did not want in the house. Don't know if that's true either. But if so it'd be a double slap in her father's face for the daughter of a judge to be stealing software to put on this tool of the devil.
I understand you are probably coming from a good place in your mind, but what you are doing is trying to offer rationalization and justification for what amounts to child abuse.
I think a big factor of why this is this wrong is the sex of the child. It's usual that if it's a girl the mom does most of the spanking and if it's a guy, it's generally both parents. Discipline by force is needed in today society, especially by the way some kids talk back to their parents..... My dad would've shattered my mouth if I ever cursed at him. You have behavior like this (http://youtu.be/W7ujm0JWEhY) where this would've never been accepted, this kid's a brat and over my dead body will I have my child act like this under any circumstance. Where do you draw the line though? The judge definitely went too hard on the girl, especially with her condition. The line was crossed.
There is a wide variety of things my kid (don't have any) could do to get a spanking. Too many to list but they all fall in line with either doing something really, really bad or continuing to do something wrong that I need to see stopped. And the hitting that I'm referring to is a pop or a spanking with a belt, not punching a kid in the eye or anything like that. I think there is a difference between corporal punishment and child abuse.
No, it's the fact that he was absolutely pissed off (punishing in anger), angry for a stupid reason, verbally threatening and abusive, excessive, and his daughter has cerebral ****ing palsy.
is there anyway these idiots can get in a 16 car pile up on the way home and lost the function to post on a bbs? this thread makes me weep for the human race and if any of these assholes have kids, i hope to hell that there is someone around to protect those kids from them.
This is the sort of thread which ought to have full disclosure included in every post: I have kids, or I do not have kids I did not watch the video, nor do I intend to, because such things turn my stomach. One can infer from the firestorm of comments which have swept the nation in the last day that the man's actions were inappropriate. That is a 'dog bites man' story. No news there, it's wrong, he obviously has issues which negatively impacted those in his private life, yadda yadda yadda. It's all self-evident. What always seems more interesting to me is observing peoples reactions. But it is harder to properly gauge those reactions when comments are always totally anonymous and contain no information which would allow for any kind of interesting analysis. So, out of curiosity, for those either posting anew, or to those who have posted already: Are you a parent yourself? For my part, yes I am a parent, one child out of the nest already, another one still at home. Anyone else? Just curious, and I am not trying to imply anything by the question.
Seriously, what twisted logic people use to justify their excesses to claim power over others that they are incapable of commanding naturally. "Respect commands itself and it can be neither given nor withheld when it is due." This guy is gonna be out of a job and face criminal charges. The daughter out lawyered her father, and that is a serious win. This. is. not. parenting. I'm not telling anyone they can't put their hands on their kids, but if your kid ever resists a forbidden temptation out of fear of your violence, you are not giving your child the tools they need to adhere their own moral structure they construct down the road. Sure, some people overcome abuse, but that is only with great work and strength, so it really is just creating a whole new generation of abusers.
I stated that already in my first 2 posts so I'm obviously not going to keep on repeating myself. This is disturbing and I understand where everyone is coming from in this thread, I do not agree with judges actions at all and he should reprimanded and dismissed from his spot in law. I also do not agree with the people who think you can simply discipline by just "talking". There is certain times when you should talk and certain times when your kid will not listen to your "talking" and he needs a good old fashion spanking. Then we wonder why we have spoiled little b****es like Lindsay Lohan with mountains of DUI's and cocaine all over her nose.
"I'll beat you on the legs some more" That is what the judge barks at his daughter as she is on the floor, already hit some 13 times with extreme force across her legs, side, arm, thighs, etc. and then once on the butt by her monther. He yells this at her as he holds a belt in his hand and his wife holds one in hers, while their disabled teenage child cries and screams. He is yelling this because the child is resisting bending over and "taking it" like a "real woman" in the words his wife. He yells this between f bombs and after threatening to whip her across her face with the belt. In this moment, when he needed to describe what he was doing to his teenage child to punish her for using a computer, he chose to scream "I'll beat you on your legs some more." Perhaps in some people's minds this is an effective way to control behavior. And perhaps it is. If your intended desire is emotionally scar your children into being so scared of physical wrath that they never dare to oppose your authority, then this is perhaps the avenue you should go down. Just make sure you are as honest as this man when you describe what you do to them and don't use a word like discipline. Call it a beating. Just like he did.
Firstly... this happened 7 years ago. Way out of line. Kid can't use the computer under rules? don't allow her to use computer. Granted, sounds like that was the plan, and she broke it... but there are better ways of prevention and punishment for something like this. I admit, I expected worse, and the fact that the only set up we have is from the girl who is allegedly handicapable, but smart enough to use the web to get her father a judge in danger of losing his seat (not to mention the wording of the "for downloading things not otherwise available")... cries endlessly until they leave the room and then is fine, etc.... makes me wonder a bit... but no denying the evidence that angry dude (and wife to a lesser extent) was way out of line. This is beyond ridiculous, imo. If only it were so simple.
Got it. It would only cross the line to child abuse if he knocked out a couple of her teeth, and only if they were adult teeth. I mean come on, baby teeth are going to fall out anyway.
I'm still wondering how he can "go overboard" yet not be "abusive". can you imagine someone saying that with a straight face? "No, I did not abuse my child, I excessively punished her." Good grief.
