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Schaub Debate

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by ubigred, Sep 29, 2011.

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  1. javal_lon

    javal_lon Member

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    Thats only because he can't underthrow deep balls to Walters and Dreesen, like he does Andre. If he does, then thats a damn shame...

    Schaub isnt struggling as bad as those you've named, but he damn sure is struggling... I dont know whether its defenses are playing him differently or the pressure he's facing... But he clearly is missing throws he previously would have made... But that fact wouldnt make me lower my opinion of him... Its the bone-headed plays and occasional b****ness he displays that gets under my skin..
     
  2. thegary

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    at least schaub has less a chance of keeping us from winning a Super Bowl than kubes.
     
  3. Hey Now!

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    Says the guy who heavily weighs W/L record when evaluating QBs in a team game...

    Two things: First and foremost, you're using WAY too high a standard. Do you honestly think, even among elite QBs, that they complete every pass and those they don't are someone else's fault? On a super-duper great day, he'll complete 65-70% of his passes; you're being wildly myopic to judge him on the 30-35% that hit the ground.

    Secondly, the audible comment is the height of ignorant/arrogant commentary. You have NO IDEA - none whatsoever; not a single milliounce - what he does and does not do at the line of scrimmage, nor do you have even a whiff of insight into what his coaches design for him. Stick to what you (pretend to) see.

    You're aware they're 5-3 with their two best offensive players having played a grand total of 2.5Qs together, right? Meanwhile, Schaub hasn't missed a snap. But by all means - please keep bleating about W/L records...
     
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I do and I think they should be 7-1.....New Orleans and Oakland should have been victories, IMO.

    I get that it is not popular to criticize a guy who has led the team to a 5-3 record......that's cool.....

    If they go on a long run here and beat all these teams they should beat...they should finish 13-3.....got to give Kubiak a loss where they should win, so make it 12-4, if Matt can lead the team to that level, then he will have earned a little more of my respect, right now he is at Trent Dilfer level...a game manager who is average....he throws better than Dilfer, but Dilfer could run a little bit, so it washes out....

    DD
     
  5. macalu

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    can you list the bone headed plays this year?
     
  6. MadMax

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    no, it doesn't. Schaub is light years better than Dilfer was.
     
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  7. Mr. Clutch

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    Meh, every QB makes bone-headed plays.

    He certainly doesn't make as many as, say, Romo or Phillip Rivers have this year.
     
  8. meh

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    I'm too lazy to look it up, but from my recollection of the games, Schaub has had a lot more trouble with Andre leaving. It's not even about the deep threat, but rather AJ as a security blanket on those 3rd downs. So many times Schaub would just throw in Andre's vicinity at the marker and he'll haul it in. Not so much with the other guys.

    As far as I know, Rivers, Vick, etc. don't have the excuse of an All-Pro WR going down.
     
  9. javal_lon

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    Actually , a couple of those bone-headed plays turned into lucky touchdowns or completions... I think one example was the Dressen TD last game... Another would be the lucky Walters TD a few weeks back.... I noticed you didnt say list any plays that showed b****ness?..lol
     
  10. Mr. Clutch

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    Yep.

    Rivers has had Vincent Jackson for a full year this year. Antonio Gates came back the last 2 games, and Rivers still looked terrible.

    Vick has Maclin, DeSeaon Jackson, and one of the best RB's.

    Tony Romo has Miles Austin, Dez Bryant, and Jason Witten.

    Schaub the past few games has been relying on Jacoby, Walter, Mason, and Dreesen. Though granted that Owen Daniels is pretty good.
     
  11. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    Lets not take facts or stats into consideration.

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    He's so much freaking better it's just a ridiculous statement DD
     
  12. dookiester

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    The sad part about this post is that, in spite of its abundance of reason and logic, there is zero chance you will get a rational response from DaDakota.
     
  13. macalu

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    and i'm sure other QBs don't have some luck involved in their passes. :rolleyes: there are also several passes that are dropped by wide open WR, like Vickers against OAK that would have given us the lead. it all evens out. you're right that Schaub goes down faster than a $10 prostitute. would i prefer that he have some mobility to escape, well, of course. but a sack is better than forcing the ball which could result in you know, a bone headed play.
     
  14. conundrum

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    So you admit this team can win a Super Bowl with him and your still complaining about him. :rolleyes:

    You still dont offer your opinion on how to improve the position or how it could have been.

    Ill take Dilfer and his 1 Super Bowl ring over Jim Kelley and his 4 "being in contention years".

    Football is a team game. The best QB doesnt always win, thats why Tom Brady has been knocked out by Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco and Eli Manning the past 3 seasons.
     
  15. Hey Now!

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    Again, the standard rises. They've never won more than 9 games, they've been playing without one of their two best offensive players for all but 2.5Qs this year; there's exactly one team in football with 1 or fewer losses and it happens to be the defending SB champion - but somehow you think 7-1 is a fair standard for the Texans and for your evaluation of Schaub?

    You're arguing with yourself; he has been criticized plenty. He had a poor 4Q against the Saints and clinched on the final play of the game against Oakland.

    Again, the too-high standard, not to mention myopia of basing your evaluation off of strictly a W/L record.

    Do you have ANY idea how poor a QB Trent Dilfer was? His career rating was 70.2. David Carr's is 74.9. We're talking about an all-time bad QB. Please stop throwing S up against a wall.
     
  16. DonnyMost

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    I imagine that the trollface guy wears a DaDakota mask when he wants to troll somebody.
     
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  17. dookiester

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    You're not unpopular because you're criticizing Schaub. There is plenty of legitimate criticism to be made. You're unpopular here only because your particular criticisms are ridiculous, unsupported by facts or well-reasoned arguments, and your responses to anyone who tries to reason with you belie your lack of understanding of the game.
     
  18. javal_lon

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    Sacks are apart of the game... b****ing up isnt... His mobility isnt the problem IMO , although anytime his unathletic azz runs laterally, its depressing to watch.... I dont think drops are a big problem when it comes to our offense.. Sure Jacoby has hands that would make T.Owens shake his head , but I havent seen many mind-boggling drops this season...
    I agree, every Qb has a bit of good luck happen ...People like Eli comes to mind... Those lucky breaks he receives are from bone-headed throws though... Schaub isnt quite like Eli as far as idiotic throws. But when he does them, it seems it's during a crucial moment in the 2nd half
     
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  20. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Better at what? Throwing the ball? Sure....better as a starting QB that leads his team to victories...uh...no.

    DD
     
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