I think putting your team in contention to win one is all that matters. If you are a contender every year, then you will get a chance to win it. No one would say Jim Kelly was a bad QB. DD
But Jim Kelly has stats, too. I'd say Trent Dilfer was a bad QB. He had an average year which was enough to win a Super Bowl with the best defense I've ever seen. But don't for one minute think that Trent Dilfer PUT HIS TEAM IN CONTENTION. They went something like 3-4 weeks in a row that year without scoring a TD. Had he played for the 2010 Texans...and Matt Schaub the 2001 Ravens...I don't think you'd be talking about Schaub being deficient at all. And I certainly don't see Schaub as one of the best QB's in the league, either. You know I think stats are ridiculously overblown in sports right now...you're seeing a bit of a correction in baseball from that now. But it's not enough to just say, "this guy wins." This guy is playing with a roster of players who are making that happen alongside him....or not.
When evaluating a player, I look at all sources of info. Don't bury your head in the sand and look at just what you want too look at. Schaub is putting up good stats AND winning. And Cam Newton doesn't suck because he's 2-6. Apparently VY's winning record didn't earn him a starting job anywhere.
Trent Dilfer is just as good as Peyton Manning. They each have 1 Super Bowl ring. Alex Smith is better than Tom Brady this year. Winning is ALL that matters.
Everyone looks at everything, we all look at stats etc, we all look at plays, we all look at wins and losses. I value winning more than stats...WAY MORE... As for VY - his record his winning record got him another job inspite of his immaturity. If he was a losing QB, he would have been out of the league already. And no, Cam Newton does not suck, I would trade Schaub for him in a heartbeat.....and you don't need STATS to tell Cam can play. Matt is what he is, a pretty decent QB - the team should be looking to upgrade there if one becomes available... DD
I agree with that, but all the Matt supporters can do is point to stats, and stats don't tell even half of the story, the throws off the back foot because he is scared he might get hit, the DOH moment about every game where he just makes a boneheaded play that costs the team. The inability to audible when the defense is set up to stop the called play, the balls at his receivers feet, the balls that AJ has to climb up and get, the falling down at a whiff of air as a defender gets near him. He is extrodinarily ORDINARY !!!...To me he is top 15 in the NFL, I guess that is ok, but personally, I want a lot more out of a QB than what Matt delivers. Doesn't matter though, everyone has their own take on whether he is good enough etc.... We shall see this year, the D is good enough, no excuses there.....it is winning time... DD DD
The ignorance amongst Schaub's detractors is epic. It's telling that they all share two glaring traits; their utter inability to evaluate QB play paired with an inabilty to remain consistent in their poorly thought out argument.
I like your handle, it is nice and old school, your lack of actually making an argument and just whining about others that are making one...not so much. DD
First you said average, then above average, then between average and above average, now "pretty decent." First you said wins are ALL that matter. Now you say both stats and wins matter, but wins matter more. And yet you would take Cam, who is just 2-6, vs Alex Smith, who is 6-1. You also said VY would change the NFL and Colt McCoy would be the next Drew Brees. At the end of the day, looking at wins and stats, Schaub IMO is way above average, 2nd tier but below elite. IMO. Winning without Andre is huge to me. Colt McCoy is well below average. So was VY. Just my 2 pennies.
Wait a minute....you just said wins and losses are ALL that matters, so why isn't he in the top 5 this season?
I don't disagree. He has had problems with accuracy this year, to be sure. Far more so than in any other year I can remember. And I do agree that the cast around him now is good enough to win. And they are winning, DD.
you cannot apply logic and reason to one who will do and say anything that could imply their argument is weak and, quite frankly, piss poor. A narcissist will always try to add, change or simply discredit a statement to feed their psychological disorder.
Yep, you're right on. I've actually raised my opinion of Schaub this year. His ability to keep making plays (especially deep passes) without Andre has impressed me. I mean, when Kevin Walter and Joel Dreesen are catching deep passes, you know the QB is doing something right. Before this year, I was thinking Schaub was just outside of the TOP 10. Now he's firmly in the TOP 10 IMO. Especially considering the struggles of Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo, and Michael Vick. Schaub isn't going through those struggles.
It's true about his accuracy. He's only completing 60% vs a career percentage of 64%. Yet his yards per attempt is the highest of his career so far. Which says to me he's completing more deep passes, but missing on the shorter ones for some reason.
i respect that you keep coming back for more, standing up for yourself. but at least don't contradict yourself. you value winning more. yet, you'll take Cam Newton (albeit its been only 8 games) who is 2-6? what makes Cam's losses better than Matt's? what does it matter what kind of QB Cam is if he can't win?
"I'm right and you're wrong. DD" "I'm right and you're wrong. DD" "I'm right and you're wrong. DD" "I'm right and you're wrong. DD" "I'm right and you're wrong. DD" "I'm right and you're wrong. DD" it's like a 40 year old's version of covering his ears and yelling, "na na na na na boo boo, i can't hear you."
I like how you cry about him not being good enough except you offer no way to upgrade. Is that because the QBs you are clamoring for are incredibly hard to find? Teams do not trade good QBs. The QBs traded this offseason were Klob and McNabb, would you prefer them? Should we have drafted VY when we had the number 1 pick? Should we have traded Matt our first rd pick this year Watt for the numeber 1pick and took a QB with question marks all over him heading into the draft? Are you suggesting we spend a first round pick on a QB when they are other areas of need that are more important than upgrading a position we already have a solid starter at?
