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Report: NBA to cancel games through Nov. 28

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by TheGreat, Oct 24, 2011.

  1. Spooner

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    You don't want them to be unmotivated to give everything they have, because their contracts are guaranteed to them for the next half a decade. I think that is a much larger more "real" issue.
     
  2. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I think what your solution would do is water down the talent in the league.

    When kids in high school have to make a choice about which sport to play they will end up playing football or even baseball because of the money.
     
  3. DaDakota

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    What?

    The money is still there, they just have to earn it every single day, like they do in the NFL.

    DD
     
  4. BEAT LA

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    Guaranteeing contracts and paying for insurance is still cheaper than paying more money to players so they can do it themselves. If they take away guaranteed contracts, expect the players to ask for a raise in salary to make up for the insurance costs, and injury risk. The insurance companies win by covering 450 individual players rather than 30 teams. The players, and the owners lose.
     
  5. coachbadlee

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    What??! Now you're just hating. Stephen A. is always on point.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    You guys are funny......guaranteed contracts have caused more harm to the game, players coast, they don't improve, and they get lazy.

    You can name a laundry list of players that got millions and got lazy and stopped competing.

    At the end of the day the owners will not fight for this issue, but I wish they would.....the union needs to be crushed, they have really hurt the game, just like the baseball union has hurt major league baseball and competitive balance.

    The NFL gets it right, everyone has a chance to compete, no matter where you are, that is why it is so popular.....

    The NBA is becomming more and more like MLB, which is why I am happy the owners are taking a stand.....for the good of their own wallets, sure, but it also is better for the game.

    DD
     
  7. BEAT LA

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    Management has to recognize that and if they feel players like Ron Artest would screw them over once given a 5 year, $50 million then they should reconsider it. It's their job to factor that in.

    Also, the NBA is making leeway on that by limiting the maximum duration on contracts.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    But there is no penalty for doing that for the larger teams, they can easily absorb that contract.....

    THAT IS THE ENTIRE ISSUE...

    LA can take on a Ron Artest and his declining skillset and not even miss a beat, he just moves to the end of the bench, the Pacers can not....they can not afford to tie up that much of their revenue in a declining player thus making the league unbalanced.

    I really can't believe you are arguing this point, you do not have a tennable position....

    DD
     
  9. BEAT LA

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    I see them fixing the issue you and Spooner are describing. Not every system is perfect...the benefits have to exceed the costs.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    Yes, the fix the issue by lowering the BRI split and putting a hard cap, or severe penalties for exceding a set soft cap.

    DD
     
  11. AstroRocket

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    I'm ready to officially join the "F--k These Guys" bandwagon.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    Look, I miss basketball too, but I want the game fixed before it gets worse, they have to take a stand now, and if that means a reduced season, or even a cancellation of the entire season, so be it.

    The game will come back as will the fans, but they have got to sort out this competitive balance issue NOW, before it becomes like baseball where the majority of the country doesn't give a ****, and it is declining.

    DD
     
  13. pmac

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    Because of the nature of basketball and the impact of star players, non-guaranteed contracts would not have the same effect on the NBA as it does on the NFL. The only thing it would do is increase the importance of the draft and decrease the importance savvy management. A team like the rockets would be doomed unless they became bad enough to get a top pick. Daryl Morey's creative moves would not occur as players would not be willing to give up draft picks and quality players because there would be no bad contracts to dump.
    Do you think this new CBA will bring competitive balance to the NBA?
     
  14. DaDakota

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    I think it will be a lot better, yes...but not completely there.....step in the right direction etc.

    DD
     
  15. MrButtocks

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    If the risk of getting injured in the NBA is lower it would be worth it for a player to go all out so that he can get and maintain that big contract. Many players are coasting already. I can't believe you think having non-guaranteed contracts would make them play even softer.
     
  16. Rip Van Rocket

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    I agree with you on this 100%. I'm watching game seven of the World Series right now, but this is one of the few games I've watched this year. Baseball is a joke. I just got sick of the Yankees and a few other teams buying up all the best players.
     
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    It's not a problem for Daryl Morey's Rockets, and any other competently run team.
    Name 10 guys that have been unmotivated to give everything they have, that we didn't all KNOW were going to be that way when they signed in the first place. There is a reason good organizations give psychiatric evaluations when dealing with contracts.

    This factor alone greatly seperates the good organizations from the bad ones, a critical aspect of competition. DO NOT save bad management...
     
  18. redhotrox

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    Not sure if this was posted, but they had agreed to a new luxury tax system before everything blew up:

    I personally don't think that's too harsh at all compared to what had been tossed around before. The players had been complaining about the new system proposals pretty much being like a hard cap, but I don't think this is. Guys like Cuban probably won't be deterred from spending at all.

    The players should just give in to that 50/50 BRI split now. It doesn't sound like they had to make any big sacrifices regarding system issues.
     
  19. DaDakota

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    How can the players say they won't do a hard cap with a straight face?

    I mean they will do whatever they have to do to play ball.....the owners need to play hardline ball here to break the union.

    The NHL is on much more solid footing, the NBA has been trending towards bankruptcy, don't do what the government does and keep spending, got to get it in check to keep the league viable.

    DD
     
  20. DaDakota

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    I want what Morey wants - a hard cap with no contract restrictions......that favors the prepared.

    DD
     

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