I don't think OWS is racist. You could never convince me that a sizable group of Americans is racist. Obviously you didn't understand what I wrote. We don't fear it. We love it (as I previously stated). George Will has the correct perspective
For someone who claim's to "love it" you sure have some nasty things to say about it. As a previous poster who's been banned was fond to quip: no cred...
Dude you act like someone can't teach themselves economics. You don't have to have a degree in something to know about it.
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Chickenhawk wingers like Tallanvoer might support nearly killing the young veteran at the Oakland Occupy Wall Street, but it is not clear real military guys will. ********* from correspondence from a WA vet: http://occupyolympia.org/occupy-news/nationwide/ If you scroll down, you will see the Marine, Coast Guard, and Police Occupy sites. The military people are very angry. Many actually believe that they are supposed to uphold the Constitution and protect American citizens. Some of the Marines are vowing to be a line between the people and the police and protect the people. Did you see the video of that huge black Marine Sergeant chewing out the NYPD guys. I watched the faces of some of those officers and they did not seem like they wanted to be there. I mean, they are going to have a big choice to make soon. They have families to support, but I’m sure many do NOT want to be doing this. Many are probably ex-military and they will listen to a “Sarg.” http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011...igger-questions-about-movement-evolution.html
Excerpts from a very good article in Slate… Occupy the No-Spin Zone: One of the best things about Occupy Wall Street is the way it confuses and ignores the shrill pundit class. By Dahlia Lithwick|Posted Wednesday, Oct. 26, 2011, at 5:57 PM ET … It takes a walloping amount of willful cluelessness to look at a mass of people holding up signs and claim that they have no message. Occupy Wall Street is not a movement without a message. It’s a movement that has wisely shunned the one-note, pre-chewed, simple-minded messaging required for cable television as it now exists. It’s a movement that feels no need to explain anything to the powers that be, although it is deftly changing the way we explain ourselves to one another. Think, for just a moment, about the irony. We are the most media-saturated 24-hour-cable-soaked culture in the world, and yet around the country, on Facebook and at protests, people are holding up cardboard signs, the way protesters in ancient Sumeria might have done when demonstrating against a rise in the price of figs. And why is that? Because they very wisely don’t trust television cameras and microphones to get it right anymore. Because a media constructed around the illusion of false equivalencies, screaming pundits, and manufactured crises fails to capture who we are and what we value. … And just to be clear: They aren’t holding up signs that say “I want Bill O’Reilly’s stuff.” They aren’t holding up signs that say “I am animated by toxic levels of envy and entitlement.” They are holding up signs that are perfectly and intrinsically clear: They want accountability for the banks that took their money, they want to end corporate control of government. They want their jobs back. They would like to feed their children. They want—wait, no, we want—to be heard by a media that has devoted four mind-numbing years to channeling and interpreting every word uttered by a member of the Palin family while ignoring the voices of everyone else. And there’s this. The mainstream media thrives on simple solutions. It has no idea whatsoever of how to report on a story that isn’t about easy fixes so much as it is about anguished human frustration and fear. The media prides itself on its ability to tell you how to clear your clutter, regrout your shower, or purge your closet of anything that makes you look fat—in 24 minutes or less. It is bound to be flummoxed by a protest that offers up no happy endings. Luckily for us, #OWS doesn’t seem to care. It must be painful for the pundits at Fox News. The more they demand that OWS explain itself in simple, Fox-like terms, the more cheerfully they are ignored by the occupiers around the country. As efforts to ridicule the protesters fail, attempts to repurpose the good old days of enemies lists falter; and efforts to demonize the occupiers backfire, polls continue to show that Americans support the protesters and share their goals. The rest of us quickly cottoned on to the fact that the only people who are scared of the “violent mobs” at Occupy Wall Street are the people being paid to call them violent mobs. … http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...es_fox_news_and_the_pundit_class_.single.html
From what I have heard is that this wasn't just Oakland PD but police from various Bay Area jurisdictions. I also wouldn't be surprised if CHP officers were there also. From what I remember of protests in the Bay area were that CHP officers did a lot of anti-riot enforcement and in addition to guarding freeways would back up local police.
I actually agree 100% with a clawback provision. I believe that if someone profited from a company (especially insurance and trading) they should have a multi-year vesting schedule reducing their clawback. People shouldn't profit if the house they built burns down. Cassano and the AIGFP team was a bunch of nonsense. I also despise the idea that they had to pay them to come back because no one else could figure it out but the guys that caused the problem. Its also my problem with Geithner, who is a Rubin protege. What Cassano or the guy running Bear's leveraged hedge funds did was stupid. Bad business decisions and poor management overcompensating them for short-term gains like picking up pennies in front of a steamroller. But don't destroy and entire industry because of asset backed securities traders and Credit default swap writers. And as for regulations, I thing Mother Market's destruction of some of the oldest, most revered firms in the world is enough to have firms limit leverage and the failed belief of socializing risk. All regulations will do is add costs and stifle business when we need it the most.
I also find it funny when I hear people tell protesters protesting a lack of jobs to..."get a job". uhhhh...
Well, no, but let's be honest, I can learn electric circuits by myself on Wikipedia, but don't put me in charge of an electrical engineering department. If you're directing and regulating the world's largest economy, it makes me feel somewhat uncomfortable that most people have their working knowledge of economics derived from---at best parsing through Austrian economics like a boss, at worse, scanning through Wikipedia. seriously. I would also agree with you more if members of Congress haven't consistently demonstrated a basic lack of knowledge about the economy---from an entire segment of the Republican party willing the United States to default, to Rick Perry's economic plan being "dismantle the EPA lolz".
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Almost never. I harbor no illusion that anything posted here by anyone actively posting changes the mind of anyone actively posting. I do take solace in those folks who may not post but read posters with established credibility (left or right) and use that information to broaden their perspective.
If we had any juice in the movement we should. It's a legitimate technique and will have it's effect on it's targeted percentage. Swiftboats? ***** worked. Counterpunch! In an event touted as an announcement of his plan to further relieve student loan debt, Obama faulted Congressional Republicans for failing to act on his bill and said ordinary folks need to send them a message. "Denver, I need your help," the Democratic president said. "Young people, I need you guys involved. I need you active." He even recommended a way to give Congress feedback: "Tweet 'em," adding, "Tell them, 'Do your job.' "
I am here just for my own entertainment. It seems to me that Northside and Franchise really ought to be doing something more important. I assume Ottoman went away and did that.
