I only want an 82 game season if they choose to extend it into the summer. But I think talk of 82 games is just that. You need training camp. You've already canceled two weeks. IF a deal gets done within a week, I'll say...68-ish games at best?
The whole reason we're even here is greed. You think that greed goes away once it's time to reschedule? Owners want that revenue back.
That's completely and utterly false. Why could the Spurs get good players around Duncan but the T-Wolves couldn't get good players around KG? It has very little to do with how much each team was able to spend and more to do with who they drafted and who they spent their money on. Every team CAN CURRENTLY compete under the present system, if they land a stud and have proper management. The Thunder and Spurs can't spend as much as the Knicks, yet they have better teams for the reasons I've stated. I'm glad and hopeful that progress continues to be made.
Not if those studs decide to leave and team up, a change in the system needs to reward those that stay more than those that bolt. DD
A good point. I think they'd have to set a precedent. Extend the games into July. But you'd be messing with the amount of time between the upcoming (fingers crossed) season and the 2012-13 season, any Euro-league and summer league stuff, the draft... They could squeeze in those games but man, talk about injuries waiting to happen.
Just get the deal right, I don't want to go through this again as a fan, I don't care how long it takes, just get it right. DD
I agree, but the current system does this under Bird rights. You aren't going to prevent bolting from Cleveland and Toronto by system rules unless you install some version of a Franchise tag. no?
All you need to do is abolish the S&T. Free Agency shouldn't be taken away from the very best players in the game. If you were drafted by a crummy organization that does a poor job building around you, you shouldn't be chained to them because you're their golden calf. Bird rights give them an inherent advantage, an advantage that was washed away by the S&T. If a player wants to leave money on the table, that's their right. They don't have to love a city simply because they were drafted by them.
I would be in agreement if the new rumored changes included some type of provision like that, but the franchise tag option has been out for a while now. And that change still may not make any impact if dudes care about winning more than $$. Carmelo seemed to care more about $$, so maybe that would have allowed Denver to keep him. But the Heat trio all left $$ on the table and were willing to leave their 6th year on the table to play together, so implementing a provision to reward players for staying would not have preventing what happened. Not unless you implement some type of franchise tag. You can't stop guys from choosing winning over $$. Lastly, Duncan decided to stay and so did Durant. Their teams seem to have compotent management. Dirk also decided to stay.
Agreed in full. Just wanna note that abolishing the S&T would not have prevented what happened in Miami.....a team creating enough cap space to sign 3 studs and still be under the cap. And those guys would have went without the S&T. Folks keep pointing to what happened in Miami as an excuse for changing the system and the two aren't related in any way. You can't stop guys from taking less to play together.
You can't stop it all together, but it can be made harder. That's all small market owners can expect. Wade and LeBron "sacrificed" to play together, but if they each had to leave a lot more money on the table, decisions may have been different. Assuming a deal is close, I'm really chomping to get the next details. Your cynicism of the owners is extreme but maybe the new CBA will bear that out.
I guess my point is it rarely happens. In the instances where someone major has left via free agency, I don't see how any system change will fix it. The Miami 3 agreed to come together before they got the S&T. Since they were willing to leave the 6th year on the table I don't think anything would have stopped them, besides a franchise tag. They clearly put $$ second. When Shaq left it was for one specific market. No system change would have stopped that. You can't make anything harder when guys put $$ second, or if they can recoup their loss in other ways (i.e. Shaq made more $$ being in LA then he would in Orlando). I believe it would have stopped Melo. If Howard leaves it won't be because Orlando didn't spend enough $$ or because they can't pay him enough. It will be because of who they spent $$ on. What other applicable instances are there? Well let's hope they agree on something. We all want basketball.
ok, yep...you're right. I agree...screw Franchise tags, and limit Bird rights usage to one a year or something. So, Lebron goes to Miami, but Bosh doesn't. Melo still goes to Knicks, because he forced a trade. Is this all acceptable? I'm fine with it.
Would not mind summer basketball, seems to me like it would only make the nba more popular as it would not have to deal with football for half the season.
I think you can do it by making the changes more dramatic, less years, more money to stay etc... Right now the differences are not enough. DD
Bosh was also willing to leave the 6th year on the table. Changing the S&T rules would not have kept him from teaming up with Bron and Wade. This is a very good read. Steve Aschburner of NBA.com interviews Kevin Murphy, the union's economist. Granted, it has a union slant: http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/steve_aschburner/10/27/lockout-q-and-a-kevin-murphy/index.html
Ice, the difference is that Bosh would have paid a ton more taxes by staying in Toronto, once those were factored in, even getting 1 year less the deal was about even for in pocket money. I just want this deal to be one that let's small town franchises have a chance to compete, it has been trending away from that for a few years now, and in order for the NBA to thrive, they need that. DD
My point is Bosh didn't seem to care about losing money. He cared about not being on a sorry team anymore and getting more attention. For some, it's not always about the money. And nothing points to it being about the $$ for those 3. Now Melo, it seemed to be all about the $$. No fix is going to change guys saying "I care more about winning, or being in movies, or living in the warmth, or whatever....over $$". And small town franchises DO have a chance to compete. We can't keep saying that they don't when the Spurs have 4 titles and the Thunder are the upcoming team in the West. Or when the Heat were the heavy favorites without one of the highest payrolls. Or when the Nuggets made it to the WCF 2 seasons ago. Remember, the matchup in LeBron's first finals was Cleveland vs SA. Get a stud, typically via the draft, and good management!!
