http://immigration.about.com/b/2011...immigrants-taking-toll-on-alabama-georgia.htm Saw it on Colbert. Basically Alabama and Georgia cracked down on illegals and made a hostile environment for legal Hispanics....so they all left. Now far,ers can't harvest and have lost $140mm because they can't find replacement workers....no one wants those jobs. gOP fail! Why is the GOP so stupid?
Lincoln made it a hostile environment in Alabama and Georgia. LincOLN fail! Why is Lincoln so stupid? Illegal immigration is a double edged sword. If you think sweat shops in china is much different than what goes on these farms, think again. Judging by your topic and your response, you're perfectly fine with farmers abusing illegal labor.
Sanctuary cities in Texas This comes as no surprise. This has happened before at a local level e.g. 9500 Liberty. The county board of Prince William County, VA passed an ordinance which made it so that local police had to ask about immigration status any time a person was lawfully detained and had probable cause ex. pulled over on a traffic stop while foreign looking. The very same people that cheered the ordinance's passage Only when the white business community, and home owners realized how harmful this policy was did the policy get overturned. We got lucky here in Texas. Rick Perry literally tried to destroy the economic stability of the state to shore up his conservative bona-fides pre 2012 election by fast-tracking his Sanctuary Cities bill. Thankfully in Texas we have a strong hispanic business community that was able to mobilize the Texas Restaurant Association and Texas business leaders against Rick Perry's Sanctuary cities bill this past state legislative session or we would have been in the same **** hole as Georgia and Alabama. The fact that these bills are passing in other states belies any argument that people act in their rational self interest. Fear usually trumps economic sense. What is surprising (Ok, I lie) is so many self-described libertarians or Ron Paul supporters support these stringent immigration policies.
Illegal labor that is consensual for both sides. We pay them money to support their families. They repay us in hard work and we don't persecute and deport them. It may not be ethical, but its definitely beneficial.
No I'm fine with implementing laws like this IF we introduce a guest worker program. Your party decided that it would help democrats to pass such a plan in 2008 and John McCain, the bill's own sponsor decided that Republicans would hate him if he passed it. I'm all for criminalizing illegal labor if Republicans finally agree to vote on a guest worker program. Until then, laws like the ones in Georgia and Alabama are economic suicide.
Anyone knows an illegal Hispanic-speaking woman looking for husband? I need hard working wife. Raise my kids on good work ethics. Americans ones too lazy.
So are Sweat Shops. and There are sweat shops in AMERICA that uses illegal labor. When you become 'OK' with paying someone 2$/Hr and locking them in a room for 12 hours a day. Then I think you start loosing some moral high ground. "Georgia tried giving farm work to prison inmates, until they lost their appetite for backbreaking 10-hour workdays at minimum wage." Do you think the immigrants were treated better than these prisoners? 10 hour work days? Do you think they got Overtime? Benefits? Or do you beleive they shouldn't get those things? Rocket River
This was already posted a while back. Georgia is stupid. National immigration policy is stupid. Millions of illegal immigrants need to be brought into the legitimate system and on track for citizenship. The price of labor should be determined by voluntary agreement between employers and employees, not manipulated (with far reaching unintended consequences) by government policy.
Your view is unrealistic. A large percentage of working people in the world work in such situations. Every time you buy a pair of Nikes, computer, iphone, etc. you are buying something constructed by people working in back-breaking labor situations. If Americans would be willing to pay premium for goods made by labor that meets your criteria, we wouldn't be having this problem in the first place. For example, the farmer can pay someone $20/hr to pick strawberrries if consumers are willing to pay like $8/lb for them.
Why do we need a guest worker program (btw, we already have the H2B program) when we have high unemployment rates. This is NO different than shipping jobs overseas. We are abusing poor desperate people with jobs Americans do not want ... because our government will pay them more to sit at home and not work. Besides, once you offer a legal way to work, who's to say they will want to work these farm jobs. Both parties are hypocritical and only do these things for political posturing. Its too bad you fall for it.
Hiring illegal immigrants is a form of corporate welfare, big aggro saves a fortune and passes the cost to the local and state taxpayers. Not surprisingly, we're going to get a lot of pro business sob stories when they aren't allowed to do this. This article makes no attempt to represent both sides, which is another huge tell.
We lost our moral high ground in the past 10 years. No one considers us champions of human rights anymore. So, lets embrace it......get those prisoners in those fields, pronto!!!
Funny thing is in the state of Texas it is "Legal" to hire an "Illegal" for the sole and intensive purposes as a house maid or a gardner. Isn't that weird.
I fully agree with you on this. The problem with immigration laws is that they are out of touch with economic reality. For everyone complaining about illegals taking US jobs well why not legalize them so the playing field is leveled?
Apparently because we do not have enough skilled workers at the high end and Americans aren't willing to do the work at the low end. Just closing the spigot on immigration, legal and otherwise, won't suddenly mean that more Americans will be qualified or willing to take those jobs. It is totally different because even illegal immigrants still pay into the US tax base through sales and in many cases payroll and income taxes. Do you have evidence to back this up? Considering the hurdles that they have to pass just to get here along with the differences in economies between the US and neighboring countries it is still likely they would work those jobs. Consider too that job advancement isn't just a function of whether you are legal or not but has to do with things like education and skill level. Someone coming from rural Guatamala who makes it here is going to come here to work at whatever jobs are available which will be manual labor. Anyway in previous times when there was less of a crackdown on immigration migrant farm workers still worked farm jobs rather than holding out for better jobs.
Regulation has little to do with immigration policy. The only thing any supporters of regulation have said in any of the threads is that it is not 100%.
If everyone spent a week doing any one of the various jobs populated by illegal immigrants, their stance on the issue would change.
When I was just a young lad I once spent a day with illegals picking pumpkins on a farm. Gained a very healthy respect for what they do after I couldn't even move the next morning.
