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Occupy Wallstreet

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Oct 2, 2011.

  1. robbie380

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    If the govt hadn't bailed out big banks would you still have this problem with corporations?
     
  2. Dubious

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    Corporations just job the laws to their best advantage, they job the voter system, to job the politicians, to job the laws. They are like sharks. It's up to the People to control their own fate and it takes a conscious effort. It's time to pay attention and change the rules.
     
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  3. robbie380

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    Great way to not say anything.
     
  4. GlenRice

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    Why do I have to get my occupy protest updates from "Russia Today" and "Aljazeera"?
     
  5. Don FakeFan

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    It is too late. People do not have any power left to change the rule.
     
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    More class warfare from that... liberal... um... congressional budget... office. Yee-ah.
     
  7. Dubious

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    No, you just want to flip the blame to to the current Federal Government.

    I'm telling you that a self promoting system of corporate compensation has continually pushed the regulatory system away from real control by public relation campaigns, private election financing, incestuous mobility between the public and private sectors, lobbying both legal and illegal, advocating in court with private funds, authoring shady tax dodges and shell schemes and obscuring truth with propaganda parading as news, for the enrichment of the few who control the assets.

    But, that's to be expected. It's what people do. It's what they have always done.
    FDR spoke about it. Eisenhower spoke about it. It's the job of Americans to control the beast.


    Au Contraire, information is power, and we are just entering the age of information. You rev this thing up, shine a light, change the public standard, humanize the need , make greed loathsome, make populism patriotic, be inclusive not exclusive. It's just a state of mind.
     
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    KeithOlbermann Keith Olbermann
    Hospital confirms: Iraq vet attacked by PD at #OccupyOakland "in critical condition" http://bit.ly/sNTjYn His roomate joins me tonight
     
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    It can't be controlled. It has to be starved to death.
     
  10. Hightop

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    Good place to get Ron Paul news too.
     
  11. robbie380

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    No I blame many things. Wealth distribution is a major issue that has been developing for awhile now. The tax code needs reform to fix this. To only blame corporations is just being delusional. Irresponsible corps should have failed and been reorganized by the govt. American govt has shown itself to be unoriginal and slow to act when problems arise. Govt can be very beneficial and helpful for society, but not when it is this dysfunctional.

    Btw do you happen to know what percent of corps actually qualify to be in the "1%"?
     
  12. Dubious

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    Don't care.

    The 1% owns the government for now. Campaign funds win elections. Win elections and you make the laws.

    Seems weird but campaign finance reform is the #1 thing I would like out of Occupy Wall Street.

    by the way:
    Since maybe 2000 B.C.?


    Maybe you haven't looked around lately, we live in a cooperative civilization now.
     
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    To the people pro-Occupy Wall Street.

    What are the top 2 issues?
     
  14. Don FakeFan

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    The Guardian had great coverage on this event since day one. I've bookmarked this page: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/occupy-movement
     
  15. robbie380

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    I think the top earners have always run govt. Can any economic historian clarify this for me?

    And no dubious not since 2000 bc. Have you heard about the development of the middle class? Either way the ultra high net worth individuals do hold too much wealth and it is too destabilizing for society.

    Finally, I know you don't care about view points unless they are something you want to hear, but 75% of corps do not qualify for the dreaded "1%". Hey I gotta go I just saw a plumber who was organized as a corporation. I'm gonna go **** that guy up for being an evil corporation!
     
  16. StupidMoniker

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    Fixed it for you.
     
  17. Dubious

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    Go back and find Rhad and B-bob's world corporate organizational analysis. Go back and find Max's effective corporate income tax rate article.

    But I'm glad your plumber is shielding his family from liability with a corporate shell.
     
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    Of the top 1% of income earners:

    30% are in the executive management field
    16% are in the healthcare field
    14% are in the banking/wall street field


    If income disparity is the big issue (which is a problem), shouldn't they be protesting Hospitals over Wall Street?

    Physicians have the highest incomes in the country and are on every block of every city. They on average make hundreds of thousands of dollars directly off of the government and leading to higher insurance premiums, which affects average Americans directly.
     
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    1. Unfair and wealth distribution and the laws and policies that enabled it.

    2. The unfair way that money influences power.
     
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  20. Dubious

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    I think everybody would let Elizabeth Warren break it down to two for you:

    EW: Look, everybody has to follow the law. That’s the starting point. I’ve been fighting this fight for years and years now. As I see it, this is about two central points: one, this is about the lack of accountability. That Wall Street has not been held accountable for how they broke the economy. The second is a values question, a fundamental fairness around the way that markets have been distorted and families have been hurt. I’m still fighting that fight. I’m just fighting it from this angle. I’m fighting it from … I want to fight it from the floor of the United States Senate. I think that is a place to make this difference.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...n-more-comments-about-occupy-wall-street.html

    Nah, too "running for office" I like FB's better.


    Wall Street manages all the money, sets up the schemes, gets the bonuses, directs K Street and Madison Avenue.
     
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