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Occupy Wallstreet

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Oct 2, 2011.

  1. Carl Herrera

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  2. FranchiseBlade

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    What the hell are you talking about? If you wish to have knowledge and more in depth study of art then an art degree from a good university is probably very valuable.

    The problem is college and higher education should be about getting a good education, and not just about getting a good job. The job part should be a by-product of a quality education.
     
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    As healthcare is probably the greatest rising cost to people and one of the greatest factors leading to personal bankruptcies, shouldn't people be protesting their overpaid doctors that are the highest paid average professions in most areas?

    Why is there all this talk of the 1% vs. 99% if wall street is being protested for its malfeasance?
     
  4. Rocketman1981

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    So says the unemployed philosophy majors.
     
  5. tallanvor

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    Nope. That's why art degrees have such little value compared to say a science degree. Not worth getting. Anyone who has every taken an art course in college knows how worthless they are and so does every employer (History of Russian Movies from 1950+, Philosophy, Women in Society, etc...).
     
  6. mc mark

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    Okay it's official

    You are an idiot

    A humanities education is the foundation of all critical thinking.
     
  7. tallanvor

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    Go tell an employer that. They will laugh in your face.
     
  8. mc mark

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    Not everyone works in finance idiot.

    You are a waste of space and time.
     
  9. tallanvor

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    Whether you work at Wall Street, Boeing, Bill's Construction, or McDonald's. None of them give two ****s about your knowledge of culture or humanities. They want Math and Science.
     
  10. mc mark

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    Please shut up --

    What Do Employers Really Want? Top Skills and Values Employers Seek from Job-Seekers


    Communications Skills (listening, verbal, written).
    Flexibility/Adaptability/Managing Multiple Priorities.
    Problem-Solving/Reasoning/Creativity.
    Interpersonal Abilities.
    Multicultural Sensitivity/Awareness.
    Planning/Organizing.
    Leadership/Management Skills.
    Analytical/Research Skills.
    Computer/Technical Literacy.
     
  11. CometsWin

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    All places famous for focus on culture and humanities. You are putting on quite a display here! I know I'm entertained.
     
  12. tallanvor

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    You are proving my point.....

    No humanities or culture.
     
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    Well duh, humanities and culture aren't skills.
     
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    Oh man.. :grin:
     
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    You obviously know everyone who has taken art in college and every employer in this world. .:rolleyes:
     
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    Tallanvor, this is an embarrassing display you are putting on. I know several employers who hire people specifically from Art colleges. I also once worked in the textile industry in NY and the owner of the company was looking to promote partially based on a fine arts degree.

    I do believe I'm in the minority with this opinion, but an education should be about getting a good education, and not job training per se. Though a good education at a university level is invariable good job training. It just shouldn't be the whole purpose.
     
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    Robbie, what you're missing is that the vast majority of students go to public institutions of higher learning, rather than private ones. Some numbers for Fall 2010 (numbers of students):

    Public University - 557,550
    Independent College or University* - 119,954

    Public 2-year College** - 743,252
    Independent 2-year College - 1,466

    Public Health-related Institution - 20,245
    Independent Health-related Institution - 2,690

    http://www.txhighereddata.org/Quick/enroll.cfm

    As you can see, the numbers show that while, yes, private universities are far more expensive, far fewer Texans go to them. Tuition and fees for public universities have skyrocketed since the legislature allowed the universities to set their own tuition and fees. As I pointed out earlier, the state used to regulate those education costs. Today, most Texas families are sending their kids to public institutions that are no longer relatively easy to afford (I remember paying $115 to $130 bucks a semester to go to a major public university in Texas about 40 years ago and it wasn't that hard to pay for, even working part-time... books were a killer, as they still are). Often, they have to do it on credit and with loans, depending on their income. And for those who pay their own way (a heck of a lot of students) by working, using credit cards, and getting loans, going to school is very hard to do without racking up the debt in big numbers. Grants and scholarships are much harder to come by, compared to how it used to be. You can be an excellent student in high school, with grades that used to get you at least some financial aid, often a lot of financial aid, and discover that that well has run dry. Yet almost all the children of the post-WWII generation, and now their children, grew up being told that you must go to college to be successful. That was my experience, and the experience of most of the folks I grew up with. Ironocally, if you can get accepted, a private university typically has far more grants in aid available than public ones, as well as other means to get financial help.
     
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    http://fdo.fas.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k3806&tabgroupid=icb.tabgroup9109

    The undergraduate curriculum is structured to ensure that every student who graduates from Harvard College has met the goals the faculty has deemed important for a liberal arts education. In consultation with your advisers, you will create an academic program to reflect your own particular interests and needs, building on requirements and expectations held in common for every undergraduate. The components of the curriculum — Expository Writing, the Core/Gen Ed., Foreign Language, and a Field of Concentration — are designed by the faculty to form a coherent common ground from which each student works.

    Broadly phrased, the goals the faculty have set for undergraduate education are: to develop competence in scholarly writing; to examine the forms of academic inquiry and their value across the whole range of the curriculum, and so gain exposure to other ways of thinking; to develop the ability to communicate with, as well as gain exposure to, other cultures; to build the skills of working with and analyzing quantitative data; and to pursue one academic field intensively, undertaking study in that area in both breadth and depth. To meet these goals, all students fulfill certain common requirements for the undergraduate degree:


    Tanallover, for you buddy: http://news.yahoo.com/narcissists-overconfidence-may-hide-low-self-esteem-143204891.html
     
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  20. Deckard

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    My S.O. hires people with graduate degrees and finds that people with highly developed writing skills are extremely hard to find, and it's a big part of their job. Those are folks with MBAs that can have a hard time stringing sentences together. Harvard isn't considered one of the world's great universities simply by accident. Nice post!
     

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