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Occupy Wallstreet

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Oct 2, 2011.

  1. robbie380

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    In the case of Texas state schools, I don't think the wealthy are getting tax cuts in Texas. I might be mistaken, but I am still paying the same taxes to the state of Texas and to Travis County that I always have been paying. I know I pay a ****load to Austin ISD....well over half my property tax goes to them.

    How much support do private higher learning institutions get from the govt? I would have to believe that is where the bulk of the student loan debt is being racked up and I don't think too many tax dollars are going to them. Please correct me if I am wrong.

    http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0278.pdf

    Granted, I don't have the spending numbers to back up my statements, but I see how over the past 30 years private 4 year school enrollment has outpaced public enrollment in absolute terms and it has blown it away in percentage increase terms. Private schools are simply much more expensive than public schools and I have to believe this is another reason for the explosion in student loan debt. Another interesting thing to note is how the number of women far exceed men at 2 and 4 year schools and in grad school.
     
  2. Don FakeFan

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    i'll repeat my point since you seemed to have miss it.

     
  4. glynch

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    One of the key demands is to break up the banks so that they are not to big to fail. It will be tough as they have bought the S. Ct and Congress and the Presidency.
     
  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Free speech is actually even more American than shooting illegals climbing fences tallanvor. You should know that.

    The protesters do not need police. They are voicing their anger. You say they should change things with votes.

    You fool. That is exactly what they are doing. This is democracy at work.


    The Tea Party obstructed justice and commited violent crimes, it's just that the police were more tolerated for one, and for two - the rallies were much much smaller.

    9 people protesting isn't going to get much police attention. 10's of thousand OWS protestors are.

    The Tea Party was an off shoot of an organized political action committed, and sponsored by Fox News and many right with politicians. It was not grass roots. It was a political campaign against Obama mainly.

    OWS is a grass roots unorganized movement. There is no defined agenda, and no specific target to their frustrations. "Wall Street" is just a code world for corporate greed.

    The responsible thing to do for OWS is to continue to practice civil disobedience and garner media attention.

    Ironically, it was police brutality that fueled the movement and gave it momentum. It was nothing until the NYPD maced female college students idly standing by.

    Perhaps those cops should go find criminals instead of trying to mace young chicks nothing bothering anyone.


    But that won't work for you, because you are against protests. That's very Russian of you.
     
  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Mandatory college may not be necessary - but that's not the issue here.

    Issue is kicking back phds to China or India because we're so anti-immigrant. The issue is that people who want to go to college can't afford it.

    Anyone who wants to go to college should be allowed to. Period. There must be some way. Trade school is a pathway to a job, but really - is there a shortage of auto mechanics, electricians, plumbers, welders, etc? I haven't seen or heard of any.
     
  7. Don FakeFan

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    Now we have two great beautiful things that will never happen on this planet:

    Communism and now breaking up the banks.
     
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    Turns out if we are protesting income inequality, then Medical professionals make up more of the top 1% than Wall Street Bankers.

    Occupy the Hospitals? Occupy the Law Firms?

    Nope.


    "Is Occupy Wall Street targeting the wrong group?

    It turns out the finance sector only makes up 14% of the top 1% of American earners, says this CNN Money report. Executives in other industries make up more than 30% of America's richest cohort. Medical professionals compose close to 16% and lawyers are 8% of the top 1%.

    Meanwhile, no one is immune to the weak economy. The threshold to make it into the 1% club was over $424,00 in 2007. Today, it's $343,927. That's in large part due to the stock market crash. The number of bankers in the elite echelon might also shrink thanks to lousy earnings on Wall Street this year. Lots of bankers, traders and hedge fund managers will still take home big six figure paychecks, but for many it will likely be less than they earned the prior year. Bonuses on Wall Street may fall as much as 40% from a year ago, reports the Wall Street Journal."
     
  9. DonkeyMagic

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    it was the exact issue i was replying to and is a simple comment hence the "that's all" clarification.

    Next time i want to make a comment on one particular item, i will be sure to ask you what the issue is
     
  10. robbie380

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    Not sure if serious....

    The banks have been allowed to get too large and need to be broken up. What benefits have been granted to bank customers simply from having much larger banks? On the other side how have banks benefited in terms of profit since they have achieved their mega status? I think banks of this size have been a net negative for everyone and have clearly only served to increase and concentrate risk. Also, since these institutions are so large their ability to maintain proper oversight of their business activities has been hampered imo.
     
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    Universal higher education does not equal "mandatory college." I don't care if someone wants to attend trade school to be a plumber or college to be an engineer, I believe at least two years of post secondary education should be provided so that America can continue to compete on the world stage.
     
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    As recently as 1992, UH got more than half of its funding from the State of Texas. Today, it is close to 25% and dropping every biennium.

    IOW, you are wrong.
     
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    Corporations, particularly in the oil and gas industry, always get tax cuts in Texas...

    http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...y-Hart-Tax-cut-comes-at-high-cost-1689684.php

    Potential yacht buyers are getting breaks...

    http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...y-yacht-tax-break-bill-sailing-in-1691382.php

    Here are 67 pieces of legislation which cut taxes by $14 billion merely since Perry has been Governor...

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/68471813/Texas-Tax-Cuts
     
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    ah. I see the term higher education and i think college
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    I mean it with a far more expansive definition.
     
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    It really isn't that expensive to go to a local juco for two years. It should be very easy to cover with a part time job waiting tables or being a clerk somewhere. I think the juco in my hometown costs something like $600 per semester for in-state tuition and fees. Books cost quite a bit new, but can be had used for much less, especially with the internet options. In reality, most anyone that wants two years of higher education can have it.
     
  17. Carl Herrera

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    Nobody is protesting anyone for being rich. "Wall Street" is being protested for its malfeasance.
     
  18. robbie380

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    I am confused. What am I wrong about? I recognized Texas cut spending for state schools after you pointed it out. I was trying to make a point about how even if tuition is increasing at state schools it is still much lower than private schools and doesn't account for the massive amount of loan growth. It seems the trend students choosing private over public is one that deserves at least as much attention in explaining the loan boom.
     
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    As much as i hate to derail Occupy Wall Street, because it could be a crack in a negative social trend that needs to be exploited:

    Why in this day and age would anybody need a college? Other than than the certification of minimum standards (that probably include plagiarism, short term memorization, and test files) and the grad network; isn't all knowledge available on-line to any one who wants to find it and has the intelligence to understand it?
     
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    You don't know what you don't know. If you are getting an art degree then you can probably just skip college, but if you want to be in some kind of manufacturing then it is needed.
     

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