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Steve Jobs says Obama Administration has Anti-Business climate

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocketman1981, Oct 21, 2011.

  1. Carl Herrera

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    So, who is Obama's crony?
     
  2. tallanvor

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    Could you rephrase your question? Do you mean what legislation has he passed that benefits some company over another?
     
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  4. Carl Herrera

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    Holy Prophet Joseph Smith and the Angel Moroni, how ****ing stupid are you?

    Plenty legislation benefit some people or company over another. Legislation and administrative regulation are supposed to have effects on the state of the world, and sometimes these effects are more favorable to certain types of people or companies than they are to others.

    For example, the Voting Rights Act, if I remember correctly, benefit black people over racists. Car emission standards benefit companies pursuing cleaner technologies over those that don't. Free trade policies favor importers over domestic manufacturers. To the extent that tobacco regulation reduces smoking, it is probably bad for the tobacco businesses, but good for employers who have to pay a portion of their employees health benefits. The clean air act is detrimental to some of the more environmentally damaging industries, but good for the health of people who live near them.

    Just because legislation and policy has non-uniform impact on different people, it doesn't mean it's "crony capitalism" or crony anything.

    You might want to use the internets invented by Al Gore to look up the words "crony" "cronyism" and "crony capitalism" before resuming the parroting of your right wing radio idols. Once you do that, I think you'll find that


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  5. Air Langhi

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    Where do most tech startups start at? Google, Facebook,Twitter etc. A place with high taxes and lots of regulation.
     
  6. tallanvor

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    Is that a 'no'; you won't rephrase your question?

    crony capitalism would be a legal application of force that benefits one business at the expense of another usually, but not necessarily, passed for some perk to a politician. The legislation would also need to fail to protect any citizens rights to be considered crony capitalism (EPA regulations may benefit one party over another, but since many protect individual rights would not be considered 'crony capitalism'). In other words, if the legislation applies regulation that would provide benefits to one business over another then it's probably 'crony captialism'. Examples by Obama:

    The healthcare law, all bailouts/loans, solyndra, lightsquared, etc.....

    Creating software has very,very little overheard besides man power; like writing books. There isn't much to tax. Would you tax web hits? characters typed?
     
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  7. Space Ghost

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    Good point. High taxes and excessive regulation is what breeds innovation, not the top tiered colleges in the area.

    Why is it that Apple, Facebook and Amazon expand in states with low taxes and less regulation?
     
  8. Carl Herrera

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    Do you think John Galt funds the colleges?
     
  9. Carl Herrera

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    To take technology and find a way to make it more human and intuitive to use is very innovative.

    The results speak for themselves.
     
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    The most innovative phase of American history came at times with a lot higher taxes than today. You are right. High taxes don't bread innovation. But there's also nothing that says low taxes do. Unless you want to tell me that whenever there's a tax decrease, Americans somehow start to invent a whole crapload of new stuff. And then they stop whenever taxes rise back up again.
     
  12. Air Langhi

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    There are plenty of people who move to the Valley who did not go to standford or berkley. My point is not that high taxes and regulation breed innovation, but businesses go where the the talent is and the talent wants to be there. Apple has a big ass campus in Austin because it is close to UT and there is talent there. Austin has more regulations that houston why isn't apple in houston?

    What is good for GM is no longer what is good for america.
     
  13. rocketsjudoka

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    So basically "crony capitalism" is where it benefits companies that you don't like but it isn't when it benefits things you like.
     
  14. tallanvor

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    nope. Go reread what I wrote. My preferences aren't in their.

    The definition from wikipedia is perfectly reasonable

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism

     
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    "Isaacson writes that he also lectured the president on America's broken education system, insisting that until teachers' unions are broken -- and they are paid for performance -- there is no hope for reform. "

    Steve Jobs perspective on teachers unions and the education system.
    I agree with his sentiments.
     
  16. mc mark

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    What do you expect from a dropout
     
  17. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Meanwhile Bill Gates is busy putting MILLIONS into education and upgrading it.

    DD
     
  18. Rocketman1981

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    The lack of pay for performance culture in the educational system is one of the greatest challenges facing our future in my opinion.

    People get into teaching for the lifestyle, and the best teachers aren't compensated for their prowess, while the underperforming ones are fired or demoted for their lack of progress.
     
  19. DaDakota

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    I think you assist the education system by offering bonus enhancements....for good work, give teachers something to shoot for if they want to.

    DD
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    Of course Jobs has zero experience in the teaching profession. I'm not sure what experience you have with the profession.
     

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