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libertarian koch brothers support herman cain over libertarian ron paul

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jo mama, Oct 17, 2011.

  1. jo mama

    jo mama Member

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    that is idiotic. and i find it funny that your source here is a blog which you admit is a P.O.S. and which you admit that you "didnt really bother reading".

    posting articles which you dont even read and need prodding to even comment on - you have now gone full on basso. congratulations.

    im not trying to expunge anyone. its not up to me to tell others what they are or arent. im just trying to figure out why these hardcore libertarians support a mainstream neo-con over the single most prominent libertarian in american politics.

    unlike yourself, i judge people on their actions and what they do...not what they say they will do.

    how can one be a libertarian if they support, fund and endorse candidates who oppose most key libertarian issues?

    as i said, if the koch brothers actually supported libertarian causes and candidates i would applaud them, but the fact is they support mainline GOP politicians/policies.
     
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  3. jo mama

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    what positions would that be?

    where did paul advocate changing state law in iowa?

    i think paul would claim that he is not a true libertarian.
     
  4. SamFisher

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    So you're arguing that the Koch Brothers and the Paulistas are NOT having a decades-long chickenfight about who's the REAL libertarian, and that you, as a good Paulista are NOT plastering the internet with posts in order to prove this? :confused:

    Both of these things are demonstrably untrue. No point debating. The former is also the factual answer to your query "why do libertarian kochs not like paul!" Because, they've been fighting for years over whatever. That's just true.

    As for the substance of the claims, who gets to wear the Libertarian secret decoder ring - I don't know or care.

    However, if I promise to pronounce you the one true libertarian and the arbiter of all libertarians on Basketball BBS earth, will you promise to shut up about it?
     
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    Koch Industries not including the foundations and other tangent employers, have over 60,000 employees.

    We need more people like that.
     
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    He never did. Glynch thinks that running an anti-abortion TV ad in Iowa is equivalent to advocating an anti-abortion law in Iowa. :rolleyes:
     
  7. glynch

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    Oh so running anti-abortion ads in Iowa has nothing to do with legislation. They have nothing to do with each other. The meaningless distinctions of abstract libertarianism. How many angels can dance on the head of a pin in libertarian theory?

    Carry on.

    Libertarianism is not trickle down. Trickle down implies some sort of basic moral goal to give the lower 99% something, when in libertarian theory they have no right to something.
     
  8. Johndoe804

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    The fact that you equate "free markets" with trickle-down is telling.
     
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    This statement shows that you are a slave to the cultish world of libertarianism.
    You are not just in favor of reasonable freedom from government tryanny or market mechanisms when appropriate.

    You have your own arcane language, thought, and as Sam Fisher says probably your own secret handshake. I know that others have no idea how perfect your system is and you are so misunderstood. One cannot possibly understand from the outside.

    It is mere coincidence that many of the wealthy one percenters who largely fund the movement fsupport both typical conservative and libertarian economic arguments resulting in the same skewed distribution of wealth. They, too , like everyone else fail to understand the pure system of libertarianism.
     
  10. jo mama

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    "cool factor" - what "cool factor" does ron paul have. he is a 75 year old great grandfather. based on most peoples opinions on the guy, support of paul seems pretty "uncool". admitting that i support him constantly sets me up for name calling and slander - what is so "cool" about that?

    furthermore, the guy you support, barack obama, was marketed as "the cool guy" - people voted for him b/c they thought he was a "cool black guy" - ive seen many posters on here admit that it was a factor in voting for him. if i wanted people to think i was "cool" i would have been supporting obama.

    for any obama supporters to claim people support paul to be "cool" is not just stupid, but incredibly hypocritical.
     
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    I never thought Mister Obama was cool. I did think he'd make a good president. The jury is still out on that one.
     
  12. jo mama

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    first of all, im not saying anything about a decades long fight - you pulled that story out of a blog which you admitted is a P.O.S. that you didnt even bother to read (basso).

    that article you posted makes no sense and is all over the place. first it claims that the koch brothers "have donated to various Ron Paul related campaigns" then in the next paragraph it claims that "The organizations affiliated with the Kochs have long kept their distance from Rep. Paul: they view him as an unbridled radical, and one who – worse, from their perspective – can’t be controlled or reined in….”.

    next time try actually reading the article before you post it there basso.

    second, i find it incredibly ironic that the person who averages 10.39 posts/day would accuse others of "plastering the internet with posts".

    so why would the libertarian koch brothers support a candidate who is opposed to most key libertarian issues? a candidate who is basically towing the GOP line of the last 10 years.

    unless...they arent really libertarians!

    you keep saying you dont care, yet here you are still posting in this thread. why is that, samuel? do you really have nothing better to do with your time? does your job as a "lawyer" bore you so much that you can argue w/ strangers on the internets about things you dont even care about?

    here we are again at a key difference b/t us - you are more concerned w/ labeling people and what people say they are while i am more focused on what people actually do - i believe actions speak louder than words.
     
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    you support barack obama and the system which has brought us to where we are now.

    you have no credibility.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    Hey Man - I just skimmed this, it looks like a bunch of smack about how I post a lot.

    I don't really care that you post a lot on clutchfans, I post a lot too.

    I'm just saying you and the rest of the paulistas seem to be obsessed with denouncing the libertarian kochs as not passing your ideological purity test for libertarianism. This is kind of true, right?

    That's fine that it is, I don't really care. Like I said, it seems like your garden variety intra-movementarian squabble, like Trotsky v. Lenin or Stalin whatever. To me they were both communists. To their supporters, I'm sure they had a different opinion.

    That's why I offered you the plum spot of BBS Libertarian Inquisitor-Arbiter. Are you turning this opportunity down?
     
  15. jo mama

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    you seem to care alot about how often i post - you seem to always bring it up when you are trying to argue with me...its just odd coming from someone who posts on here about five times as much as i do.

    curious - how often do you check into clutchfans? it seems like you always manage to respond to my posts w/in 5 minutes or so.

    as i said, im not like you in that labels dont really mean anything - im more concerned w/ what people actually do. i know its hard for a partisan hack who treats politics like a team sport to understand, but i put substance over style. actions over words.

    again, here you are fixated on labels. i believe people can call themselves whatever they want, but if their actions dont back up their rhetoric i will call them out on it.
     
  16. Rashmon

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    Why is Ron Paul running for president as a Republican and not a Libertarian?
     
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    ok I'll bite... what is Ron Paul doing running anti-abortion TV ads in Iowa then? Just trolling?
     
  18. SamFisher

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    I don't care how often you post, you just like to post salvos of like 8 posts in a row, or so I've noticed. Maybe this is irrelevant. But anyway, it's pretty easy for me to respond to you because your warpath patterns are fairly predictable (8-24 hours of silence then -> bam shotgun blast of 3-5 posts aimed at all of your persecutors). I obvioulsy check in at regular intervals - once an hour if I'm not busy maybe?

    NOT THAT IT REALLY MATTERS
     
  19. Hightop

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    He considers himself true Republican (claims the party has lost its way) and he knows it's his best chance to win. Nobody would be talking about him right now if he ran as an independent. It's hard enough for the media to pay attention even when he is polling second or third as a Republican.
     
  20. geeimsobored

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    Libertarians don't get to participate in Republican primary debates. Now that the committee on presidential debates has more or less made it impossible for a 3rd party to participate in presidential debates, people like Ron Paul have to affiliate with one of the two parties.

    The debates are the main reason why Paul is getting so much exposure. (similar to how Ross Perot got his support from the 1992 debates) He can't get that unless he stays Republican.
     

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