I think you overlooked these key points in the article: A QB that's not making mistakes kind of makes a difference. This isn't all on the QB, but let's just say we don't often read about the GB offense going stagnant. We read about that after every Texans game. Again, this is not all on the QB.
and thats a damn shame... I doubt Detroit is pulling the Joey Harrington card everytime Stafford gets hurt?...doubt they wanna relive those years... But some folks love to bring up Carr when talking Schaub... i have no idea why
What a load of bull****. That first paragraph pretty much describes your history when it comes to Texans discussion on this board perfectly. You aren't fooling anyone. I asked for you to back up a statement you made as fact. Not surprisingly you can't. I'm sure you have 'no further interest'. Not too mention I am not and have not been a part of the anti Schaub mob here, and said as much. Im probably more in agreement with you on Schaub than against. But that you have imagined in your mind that generalization of anyone who doesn't agree with you isn't much of a shock either.
People made the same type of excuses for Carr. Just pointing out the parallels. and we all know he was horrible. but the same folx were constantly deflecting all blame from him. Rocket River
What excuses are you talking about? Carr constantly checked down, took too many sacks, had a crappy y/a rate and TD/INT ratio. Schaub has NONE of those problems. Carr has a career 75 QB rating while Schaub's is 91.5. Schaub is consistently high on the y/a stat, which means he throws the ball downfield. Opposite of Carr. No one is saying Schaub is perfect, I've said many times he's 2nd tier at this point, good enough to win. Comparing Carr and Schaub is like comparing Moochie Norris and Kyle Lowry. They both failed to make the playoffs, so they both suck. No more excuses for Lowry! Ship him out like Moochie!
Did Kyle make the playoffs last year? Stop making excuses for him! Actually, Lowry is a pretty good analogy. Lowry is probably just barely a top 10 PG, just like Schaub is barely a top 10 QB. But you can't blame them for losing because they flat out produce despite their flaws.
Kinda reaching on that. Lowry is not depended on to win games like Schaub is. The NFL is built around the QB, in the NBA it's whatever your best player is, hopefully a franchise player. And personally, I like Lowry's game face and his bulldog attitude over Schaub's slow ass molasses.
Well if that's true, then most teams should just give up and Suck for Luck, because only Brees, Rodgers and Brady are truly elite. I think teams can win Super Bowls with a 2nd tier QB though. And Lowry is the Rocket's best player, but I don't blame him.
And notice that Brees, Rodgers, and Brady were not #1 overall picks. So the best QBs aren't necessarily the ones touted as best QBs in the draft. Agreed on you can win with 2nd tier QBs but your other parts of the football team must excel in order to compensate for your QB's shortcomings (example: Trent Dilfer was arguably the worst QB to win a SB, so he had to have a record breaking defense and a strong running game with Jamal Lewis and Priest Holmes to carry him). I'm not saying we need an all time defense to compensate for Schaub's flaws, but let's just say I'm not confident enough in the other phases to really say we can win SBs with Matt Schaub as our QB. And I don't blame Lowry because he's doing everything he can out on the floor. He's a complimentary piece and we're trying to get a franchise player that hopefully Lowry can play with. With Schaub, I get that feeling sometimes "Can we actually win with this guy?" (winning meaning win big games, win playoff games, win SBs). Schaub is way more important to the Texans' grand scheme of things than Lowry is to the Rockets. Let's not kid ourselves.
Like comparing Jay Z to Souljah boy... like Jordan to TMac(hi tinman)... like Batman to Robin... like ham to spam... plus Moochie should be compared to Turbo... both were excellent team mascots
Fair enough. I have a working history of the Texans; I can recall "close and late" games situations far easier than I can for a team I don't follow. So to delve into even one QB's "close and late" history would be laborious. And, as seen with the significant number of "yeah but" dismissals of the effort put into Schaub's history - it would be waste of time. The target would either immediately change or it would never be considered. So I Googled and quickly grabbed two articles that listed several past and present QBs with less-than-stellar "C&L" results. It backs my assertion; answers your challenge - what more would you like me to do? You're right; but, in my defense, the even mild Schaub supporters are much fewer in number - it has a lot more to do with the overall tenor and direction of the thread, which is overwhelmingly negative toward him. Sorry to jump your s.
These are team sports, Lowry is our pg which if you had to make a comparison to a position in the NFL it would be QB. Lowry is just as much responsible for his teams success as Schaub, maybe more, there are 10 on other players taking the field when Schaub is out there that all have to do there job as well. It is both players jobs to get everyone involved and call the right plays. Down the stretch Lowry has to either get to the bucket himself or make the right pass. Like another poster said, they are both borderline top 10 at there respective positions. Schaub can put up stats with the best of them, and when this team is full strength I have no doubt he can lead us down the field for a need score. We constantly came back from games in the second half last year when the team could have folded and got steam rolled. Albeit we lost most of them, we got ourselves back into the games with Schaub tossing the pigskin around like he had a chip on his shoulder. AJ and Foster have only played 2 qtrs together. Teams have been able to dare us to run by double teaming andre and daniels or dare us to throw by leaving jacoby jones wide open. The talent on this team is not the issue, its health, just like the rockets for the past 10 years. You need all your big dogs healthy to compete with the contenders.
If Lowry is having a bad game, we have a capable backup in Dragic and still win. And other players like Lee can spell the PG duties at times. If Schaub is having a bad game, we're screwed. See how the analogy is a reach?
It was an analogy, of course it wasn't perfect. My main point is that I'm not going to blame one of our best players, which Schaub is. If we can't win with a Top 10 QB in this league, then we need to rebuild and suck for Luck. Simple as that. But I don't believe it.
Actually, that sound about right. PG is one of 5 players on the field. If someone plays 3/4 of PG minutes(36mpg), that's 15% of the impact on the team. Which I think a QB is worth about in football more or less. It's really the other players that can't be directly compared to NBA players.
