Well, difficult to use games of a competition thas has not even started yet, don't you think? Obviously I'm talking about different NBA players playing in different leagues around Europe, in some cases with more opposition than in others. Andersen made a double-double too in the Italian League. Also in the Serie A, Chris Douglas-Roberts, Jeff Adrien, Von Wafer, Garret Temple... all did it well in the first game. Travis Diener was the MVP of the first week (25-4-6) in that league. In the french league, Hilton Armstrong scored 17 points for Asvel, Batum 17 for Nancy... Seraphin, Singler, Rudy Fernandez all of them are playing in the best local league of Europe, doing it good. Of course there are also cases like Reggie Williams' case, who is struggling with the adaptation -Caja Laboral, Dusko Ivanovic-, but all in all and considering all the cases, I think we can conclude that NBA/ex-NBA players are performing VERY well for now. But don't worry dude, if you want to keep distorting reality like you do usually to write what you want to write, to think what you like to think, you know that I personally won't bother you very often, you can keep trolling peacefully.
That's genius. One trying to hide the fact that they are a troll by calling another a troll. The game has been stepped up.
Do you actually think any of the NBA only fans here have any grasp or understanding that those were not Euroleague games? Are you suggesting that French League or Spanish League or Italian League is the same thing as the Euroleague? It appears you are. Which would prove that you are not European and never watch any European basketball ever. Also, Llull is playing SHOOTING GUARD for Real again this year, and not point guard, as you said he would. And about distorting reality.official Euroleague games with numerous NBA players are coming. After that, not one person in this forum will be able to disprove my assertions here again. Or do you actually think that NBA players are going to tear apart the Euroleague? If you do then you are seriously just another NBA only fan. Because it is not happening and that will be proven very shortly. It's actually amazing that a self-proclaimed European basketball fan would even bring up non Euroleague games as an argument. It pretty much exposed you.
He used non Euroleague games, even French League games (might as well be D-League level in European standards), and also he even used preseason games as examples for "NBA players doing VERY WELL in Europe". Of course, he left off the numerous games where numerous NBA players played horrible so far in Europe, like it never even happened. In addition to that, once again Llull is playing shooting guard for Real Madrid, and once again Anchel wrongly and falsely claims he is now a point guard.
Good to see superstars like Lonny Baxter blowing up and Julius Hodges putting up Magic Johnson lines. Pssst.... the NBA is the best league, if for no reason other than the fact they pay the most.
That sounds almost as absurd as someone using two games to prove that NBA players will not succeed in the Euroleague! By the way; Deron Williams struggles in two games does not suggest that every elite player in the NBA would do the same.
Ok, so where are your proofs to deny that he's playing PG? There are only 2 PGs on the team, Sergio Rodriguez and Sergio Llull. There are 4 swingmen, Rudy Fernandez, Jaycee Carroll, Martynas Pocius and Carlos Suarez. There's no Prigioni this year and no substitute for him. Well, Llull is actually his substitute for that position. Everybody can see the boxscores, the minute sharing at the PG position. Everybody can watch the games, (for example tomorrow at 13.45, Houston time). Do you have some proofs to show that he is not playing as PG?
It amazes me that folks debate despite this fact... Not only cash, but legacy and history make the NBA by far the dominant league in terms of talent pool.
Is this the same NBA that has to have drastic salary cuts in order to break even? The same NBA that is in a lockout because of this? Is this the same NBA that is almost impossible to get on TV in Europe?
1. A drastic salary cut would be NBA players having to take on Euro salaries. 2. Ask Bima, he's helpful. 3. If you live in a cave, I guess it is that same NBA...
Now back to reality, http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop By Henry Abbott ESPN.com Archive Damage to the NBA brand A couple days ago on Twitter, David Thorpe asked: "How's it gonna look when NBA players playing overseas get sent home because they are just not worth what they were being paid?" Since then, DeJuan Blair -- a starter on one of the league's best teams in San Antonio -- was let go by his Russian team. It's not that Blair didn't play well. His numbers were solid. It's also not that he has a big attitude -- quite the opposite. The problem appears to have been simply that they could get similar production for less from any number of other players. He was good, but the amount they paid him, in that league, is reserved for greatness. Thorpe has long maintained that the very best NBA players are in a class by themselves. No other league in the world has players like Dwyane Wade and LeBron James. But after those top stars, whether that's 30 or 40 players, he says it's very hard to tell anyone apart. The non-star NBA players, he says, are interchangeable with professionals all over the globe, which he sees in his own gym every summer, where, for instance, Italian Serie A starters hang comfortably with NBA rotation players.
Oops there goes gravity... (Guess who has the first pick of any of those role players?) Comparable? Absolutely... Comparable... (And cheaper)
There are professional players in the world that are comparable to NBA roleplayers... More affordable, comparable versions... So yes, I AGREE WITH OHMMS!!! WOOOOOT!!!
That's not what they said. They said that outside of 30, "maybe" 40 NBA players that even average starters from Italian League are equal to NBA rotation players. 1. Even at the high estimate, which they put as a maybe, of 40 players, that is less than 1 player per team. There are 30 NBA teams. That means even most 2nd options on NBA teams are NOT considered better than....... typical starters of Italian League. 2. The Italian League is fairly mediocre average league in Europe. It's well below the Euroleague in quality, even below the Spanish League, and most people would say even the Greek League. Some would argue it is worse than the Adriatic League. So, they are saying that MOST 2nd options on NBA teams are no better than players from a second tier European league. Like I said, American NBA only fans are extremely delusional about the level of the NBA. The fact is that most 2nd options and all 3rd options in the NBA are considered in the same class as starters from a 2nd tier European league, according to an American coach that watches them play each other every summer. Pretty much proves how insanely overrated the NBA is. Most starters in the Italian League can't even hang with Euroleague players.
Yes, yes it is. And even If it wasn't, who is to say the article is fact? For instance, Juan Carlos Navarro wouldn't be a top 5 player on a large amount of NBA teams. Hell, he wasn't a top 5 player on a crappy Memphis team...
Dude, give it up. You are never going to win this debate no matter how many worthless points you try to make. The NBA and Euroleague are different styles of basketball, with different types of players at different levels of the game. Who typically dominates the summer Olympics??.... usually its USA when all the superstars play right? It doesn't take a Rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that the best players in the world "typically" play in the NBA. You can debate about the style of play and how the NBA role players would do overseas, but there is a reason why great European players like Dirk Nowitzki play in the NBA and not overseas. Other than money. However, I realize that the style of play is different and SOME Euro teams might fair well against SOME NBA teams in a straight up match. This is why I think instead of a long 82 game season, the NBA should shorten the season to 60 or 70 games and put their teams through an international tournament of some sort, kind of like the NCAA tournament, but at the beginning of the season. I would love to see If teams like Real Madrid, or FC Barcelona could end up playing the Miami Heat deep into the tournament. Would be entertaining as hell. However, take the best Euroleague player say... Juan Carlos Navarro vs. Lebron...... Yeah. Wouldnt even be fair. On a team level though, you are right that some teams could compete with NBA level teams, you just need to realize that the NBA will always be viewed as the better league strickly because the elite of the elite play there. Despite whether Dejuan Blair gets cut from his team for financial reasons mostly.
